Oh...I love how they just close the thread questioning the censorship...even better. :banana:
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Oh...I love how they just close the thread questioning the censorship...even better. :banana:
They are still allowed to be talked about when relevant to lucid dreaming. I see no problem with this. If you want to talk about drugs for other purposes, there are other cool forums for this. Ask me for these and ill PM the sites to you.
Anyone ever seen Danny Darko? Its a crazy ass movie, I totally recomend it.
But why is it applied to only drugs...its perfectly ok to talk about irrelevant things like pets, dating, hobbies...etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael
I get your point. I shouldnt have said I see no problem with it, thats not true. Drugs are like one of my top favorite subjects if not favorite, so I am disappointed as well. They really have no good reason to stop the talk about drugs, but oh well, they are in charge. It isnt something to leave over, just join other forums as well.
Cuz ppls is uptight dawg.
Donnie Darko? Great movie...very crazy ass :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sandform
haha, well worded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandform
It seems as though people who are into psychedelics are into (or are quickly interested in the idea of) similar things such as lucid dreaming...and vice versa. Not allowing the discussion in this forum is really stupid. How are people supposed to learn about the reality of psychedelics (and other drugs including alcohol) when discussing it is banned? That would be like banning LD and philosophy discussions on a drug forum.
Back to movies...Requiem for a Dream is really good.
Dreaming is psychedelic.
By the way, there is no mention of drugs in the forum rules, so the admins have broken the rules and should be banned ;) OK, a warning will be enough this time XD
I have a question about drugs, maybe you guys can help.
I have asthma, and i use a Combivent inhaler. I have a little chamber that i fill, and when i breath it in, my body gets all tingly and stuff and my eyes start to black out and my head beats hard and stuff. It feels like im getting seriously high off of it. Does anyone know whats in Combivent that would do that?
I think a pop up box with a legal disclaimer on the subject (of any drugs) should work. How hard would this be to make it happen Admins or Mods?
Right. Because that's neeeeeeever happened here before :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamneth-25
Lame defense. Using that logic, we might as well tolerate and discuss child porn, the processes for making meth, bomb-making techniques, burglary strategies... That leaves no room for boundaries. Every site needs its boundaries.Quote:
You can't hide the real world from kids, that's just impossible.
Don't cry about it. There already is censorship here. I don't see you fighting for the "right" to post porn here. Obviously, the powers that be decided that it's better to avoid illegal drug talk. Is that really so upsetting to you?Quote:
Fuck censorship, if that's the way its going to be I'm leaving too. :thumbdown:
There's certain things that aren't allowed by the rules: Account spoofing, ban circumventing, racism, homo-bashing, porn-linking or imaging and illegal drug activity are the most notable. There are plenty of other sites that DO allow such things. There's even plenty that allow all of those things. There's no rule against being a member of more than one website. So quit crying just because one site doesn't allow certain things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamneth-25
No, not at all. It's much easier to accept talk of legal activities on a drug forum, whose very foundation is illegal activities. I hardly see the comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamneth-25
I support the decision. I think it was for the greater good of the DV community.
Very Well put Oneironaught!!
It is easily looked upon as "stupid" from... uh well, stupidity/ :eek:
I personally find less harmful drugs such as cannabis perfectly and believe it should be legalised. Other drugs such as ice, heroin etc. have so many more side effects and are a serious road to self destruction. I've recently been involved in a DSP (Drug Safety Project) so that I can be a peer educator to other teenagers about drugs, sex, alcohol etc.
I dont see why it should be censored however, considering discussing drugs is a good way to learn about drugs and deter people from doing it in the first place.
Talking about drugs isn't a way to deter anyone from doing them. While posting on a forum you aren't there to slap them if they decide to do something foolish without thinking it through.
As long as there is potential for harm, it's best left out of public discussion.
I agree with that in most cases. I think very good warnings about opiates and other drugs have been given in this forum, but there is always going to be a good possibility there will be somebody who talks about how cool such drugs are. However, such comments always invite the truth to come out about how incredibly dangerous they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReTcHeDmOnKeY
I think it is good for people to know all of the major facts about every single drug. When I see people making the point that LSD and mushrooms can kill you, I see it as a sign that they probably don't know a lot of the specific dangers of the drugs that actually can. There is so much more to know about heroin, for example, than the fact that it is very addictive and that it can kill you. There are many very fine specifics of how the addictive process grows and what it ends up involving, for example. There are really bizarre mind game aspects involved that prevent people from understanding exactly what is happening after they cross the line. I think drug education classes should be a requirement for high school graduation. An entire year should be spent on it in school. And maybe then people will lose the bizarre and very dangerous idea that alcohol is somehow an exception. Alcohol is one of the most dangerous drugs there is, and it transforms personalities more than any other drug. It is one of the most dangerous drugs there is for the user and the people who go near the user. It is scary that so many people don't see it that way. It is mind boggling and dangerous that society understands so little about drugs. I think major drug education would have kept some of my friends from ending up on the deadly paths they ended up on.
Thats true, it depends on what people say. If you have people boasting about their last hit or talking crap about them then you have a problem, but I thought most people here would be wise enough not to do that. btw, drug education is mandatory here in school, DSP was voulantary and I did it because I too have friends who have gone down/are on that path.
I understand you perspective. Because there is a lot of gray area and unfortunately because many drug related topics are not kept between the legal and appropriate lines, DV as a public forum must uphold some regulations..Quote:
Originally Posted by ReTcHeDmOnKeY
I believe that drug awareness and education in our schools, parents and peers is vital. It should be mandatory! Like it is in your school ReTcHeDmOnKeY.
It should not be the place of a Forum via the internet to inform youth, or anyone for that matter, about illegal drug use. Much less a forum established to educate others about dreaming, lucid dreaming and their techniques.
Props on getting the capitalization correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howie
Did anyone answer your question? I'm sorry C911.Quote:
Originally Posted by C911
Continue using this medication and talk with your doctor if you have any of these less serious side effects:
headache, dizziness, nervousness;
drowsiness or sleep problems (insomnia);
cough, hoarseness, sore throat, runny or stuffy nose;
dry mouth, unusual taste in your mouth;
tremors, numbness or tingly feeling;
nausea, vomiting, upset stomach, diarrhea, constipation; or
blurred vision.
I bolded dizziness cause i'm assuming that is why you feel you are getting high. I will add the reason why later if I find it.
a few reasons why might be medication...
Are you on any other medication?
Such as...
atropine (Donnatal, and others);
belladonna;
clidinium (Quarzan);
dicyclomine (Bentyl);
glycopyrrolate (Robinul);
hyoscyamine (Anaspaz, Cystospaz, Levsin, and others);
mepenzolate (Cantil);
methantheline (Provocholine);
methscopolamine (Pamine), scopolamine (Transderm-Scop);
propantheline (Pro-Banthine);
a beta-blocker such as acebutolol (Sectral), atenolol (Tenormin), carvedilol (Coreg), metoprolol (Lopressor), or propranolol (Inderal);
a stimulant, ADHD medication, diet pills, or over-the-counter cold or allergy medicines;
a diuretic (water pill) such as furosemide (Lasix), bumetanide (Bumex), ethacrynic acid (Edecrin), torsemide (Demadex), hydrochlorothiazide (Hydrodiuril), chlorthalidone (Hygroton, Thalitone), or chlorothiazide (Diuril); or
an MAO inhibitor such as isocarboxazid (Marplan), phenelzine (Nardil), rasagiline (Azilect), selegiline (Eldepryl, Emsam), or tranylcypromine (Parnate).
Stolen from here
The fact of the matter is, if we could be sure that all drug discussion was done responsibly, and did not stand too much of a chance of anyone - without a sufficient level of education on whatever drug is being talked about - going out and diving into something just because they heard about how "Ohhh so fucking cool" it was, we'd be a lot more open to allowing the discussion on the forum. (And my position is not biased, as I've done my fair share of psychadellics(sp) and, personally, have no problem with anyone talking about them, but I understand the reasoning behind the restriction and I'm surprised at how much of you don't.)
Unfortunately, this isn't the case. No offense to anyone, but there is simply too much whimsical posting around here, and too many impressionable newbies (remember: the age restriction is rather low, and we have to take these things into account) to allow drug/related threads to become bogged down with irresponsible things like "Ohhhhhh maaaann...I was SOOOOOO wasted!! I smoked a 20rock and shot up a little black tar and had the best night of my life!! WWEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! :banana: :breakitdown: :silly:"
As members, none of you have any responsibility to take if some impressionable young mind pops off and decides to take a wild ride, after hearing some positive banter about how great a drug is, and gets him/herself killed. As far as admin and, most importantly, the owner of the site, it is simply not a risk worth taking. Everyone is willing to compromise and allow drug talk that is dream-related (which, if you ask me, is not an oppressive censorship, but an attempt to find a middle-ground), and will gladly direct anyone wanting other off-topic, off-site information about drugs and their effects sites where they can research them.
Agreeable terms if you ask me. I mean we can't really be mad at you for doing what is responsible. I have no quibble over the closing/removal of this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
However I do feel that this is kind of like the teaching safety vs. abstinence problem...People are going to do it anyway...is it really more safe to let people be ignorant about it? Still though..younger people are more apt to do things if they are introduced to it more often. So I can see both sides really.
I understand. That is part of the reason why the "censorship" of off-topic drug discussion is such a hard issue for any of us to settle on. There are good points made on either side of the issue, and we are not dismissing anyone's point of view, now matter what side of the fence they stand on. But, if the topic of drugs comes up in a thread related to dreaming, we are still able to provide some sort of information (and, like I said, anyone requesting more can be directed to sites like erowid, etc.) but, I believe, it's best to narrow the floodgates that allow just any sort of drug discussion to just run rampant around here. It's not without it's share of sacrifice, I agree but, with the interest of this community in mind, it may be what's best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandform
OneironauT, can you agree with me that my Topic was not just any sort of drug discussion
? IMO it was a very intellectual, truthfull discussion that was neither gloryfying nor demoralising the use of Psychedelic drugs. Also it was not like I planned to discuss drugs such as Meth, Cocaine and Heroin, but I was glad to see that in my topic some people who did use such mentally damaging & physically harmfull drugs, could be motivated to consciously reconsider their irresponsible, risky drug (ab)use by the advice and words of other drug-users who have found a way to do drugs in a responsible, spiritual, non-harmfull matter.
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Originally Posted by Oneironaught
I wonder why it is, Oneironaught, that you compare Discussing Child Pornorgraphy, Meth-making instructions, bomb-making instructions and Burglary tips with Discussing Psychedelic drugs. Cuz obviously there are reasonable moral grounds in which you'd want to avoid discussions about Child Pornography, Meth-production, burglary and Bomb-making Instructions; These things HARM people. There is no discussion possible that they don't harm people. Ask Meth-junkies, Burglary victims, sexually abused children and Bombing-victims; They harm people.
It seems you have piled Psychedelic drugs together with all the former mentioned business, and by placing it in that row of harmfull subjects you criminalize it. Which is unrightious.
While if you were to get down to the pure, unbiased truth about Psychedelics, what they are and what they actually do, you will find the opposite to be true: They don't harm people, In fact most people have found that their psychedelic experiences have greatly benefited them spiritually. Rarely someone does psychedelics and becomes permanently mentally disturbed; This too is the result of improper education on the subject: no wonder if drug discussions are banned.
Now about the discussion of illegal activities. Based on who's laws? US laws?
Guns are legal; They are MADE for killing; doing harm, and that's exactly what people buy and use them for. Psychedelics don't do any such harm, but they're illegal. Where's the moral Logics in that? Pleas explain that to me Oneironaught.
Doesn't that mean that the law is hypocritical and that it's moral motivations are most questionable?