Thread: Lets talk about drugs!

There is a difference between drug use and druge abuse.
I support most kind of drug use, im not personally fond of stimulants, however, dpressants or hallucogenics can at times be perfect, and yes I do think sensible drug use can expand ones conciousness

"Cannbis is the vehicle to cosmic conciousness"

I seriously beleive that we all should ahve the right to experiment with our conciousness in practically any way we see fit without harm to others.

Weed, is perfection, relatively harmless, not truly addictive and so relaxing and beautiful. It never ceases to mamaze me how much my perspectve changes and improves under the influence. Its hard to explain unless you toke reguaraly, but I think weed in moderate amouns would be good for anybody, it opens a new outlook and it really does improve your character in meyeyes, well it does for me anyway.

I personally dont see the attraction in stimulants,.

I think every (adult) person has the right to put into their body whatever they want, along as they don't hurt other people.

And some drugs can really change your view of the world for the better. However, some can also fuck you up pretty bad. Caution is pretty important.

I really do not like drugs at all, even medical usage ones, i think that drugs such as crack or cocaine or LSD etc are a waste of time, yeah, you may get a high from them, but at the end of the day you may become addicted, you may end up killing yourself or even wasting your money on drugs you don't need, people only take them because of curiousity and depression because they think it will help, when in reality it is making them alot worse.

In terms of drugs and medicines for use of curing and healing, i only use medicine if i really need it, as well as drugs etc, if i have a cold i'll sweat it off, why rely on drugs and medicines when you could just stay strong, at the end of the day it makes you mentally stronger, able to deal with these things, drugs can be helpful when needed but why rely on them, because if you depend on them too much you will not be able to depend on yourself, i know that this can happen because it happened to my dad, he takes pills everyday and different drugs and things to make him feel better, they have made him worse in my opinion, he takes them for no reason, he can't handle feeling ill either, he gets really fussy and is like a young child.

Next time your ill, wait through it and when you've beat it you will feel alot better We may come to a time that we cannot get hold of drugs and medicines. Be prepared i say!

I'm pretty much against hard drugs like heroin and cocaine, since they basically just make you feel very nice and kill you slowly.
I think the cannabis is pretty harmless if used in relative moderation, although it can lead to depression if overused. I think that cigarettes are very bad since they just calm you down, they're very addictive and they kill you.
I can't really talk about Mushrooms and DMT, or those other drugs that 'expand your consciousness' or whatever, although having read someone's account of a DMT trip (I think it was Nina) I can see that you have to be careful how much you take of this stuff and that it's now for everyone.
Have I covered everything? Oh yea Alcohol is pretty much ok, if you don't get addicted.
LSD and Extasy again, I can't really judge since I've had no experience with them, but I definitely wouldn't take a pill of the stuff if it was offered to me at a party

Originally Posted by Lucid Seeker

I really do not like drugs at all, even medical usage ones, i think that drugs such as crack or cocaine or LSD etc are a waste of time, yeah, you may get a high from them, but at the end of the day you may become addicted, you may end up killing yourself or even wasting your money on drugs you don't need, people only take them because of curiousity and depression because they think it will help, when in reality it is making them alot worse.

In terms of drugs and medicines for use of curing and healing, i only use medicine if i really need it, as well as drugs etc, if i have a cold i'll sweat it off, why rely on drugs and medicines when you could just stay strong, at the end of the day it makes you mentally stronger, able to deal with these things, drugs can be helpful when needed but why rely on them, because if you depend on them too much you will not be able to depend on yourself, i know that this can happen because it happened to my dad, he takes pills everyday and different drugs and things to make him feel better, they have made him worse in my opinion, he takes them for no reason, he can't handle feeling ill either, he gets really fussy and is like a young child.

Next time your ill, wait through it and when you've beat it you will feel alot better We may come to a time that we cannot get hold of drugs and medicines. Be prepared i say!

So whats your view on alcohol?

What sort of drugs are we talking about here? The term 'Drugs' leaves for a wide subject of debate. There are so many types...

Softer drugs like cannabis I think should be legalised for personal use within your own property much like smoking is. Holland have it right in my opinion. Harder drugs, well OK they are bad for you and can cause serious effects but as Imran points out drug use and drug abuse are 2 totally different things.

In all I think I am against it, purely because of my past. But I don't judge drug users, and no doubt most of you here all associate with drug users but just don't know it! Drugs like cocaine, especially where I live is taken by so many people who you wouldn't expect etc.

Anyway, I can live with it, but not in my face!

Originally Posted by Sandform

Lets talk about drugs!

No, I'd rather not. I mean, don't you think this forum is already overrun enough as it is with drug talk?

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

No, I'd rather not.

Then dont read or post in this thread

Some people don't want to talk about lucid dreams on this forum so they stick to the senseless banter forum lol. You only read what you want to talk about :p

drugs arent the problem. The users are.


You can use any drug in moderation, but the heavy stuff that gets people hooked is the problem.

The users that get addicted put out a bad name for people who simply are tired of a stressful life and smoke a blunt or something to relieve themselves


people who use mind altering substances in moderation are the ones that should be seriously considered. Even strong psychedelics can be harmless if you know your stuff and you are mentally prepared.

The drug war that is portrayed in the media is what gives people their adamant believes on drugs.

thats my 2 cents, but nothing will change in the U.S. for a while. We should be worrying about education and awareness of global issues, rather than spend billions of dollars to keep people from slanging dimebags on the corner.

Originally Posted by shaftmonkey

drugs arent the problem.

but the heavy stuff that gets people hooked is the problem.

So which is it. Are they bad or are they not bad?

I believe that drugs are "the problem" but, I use that only in reference to "hard drugs". Marijuana is only a problem because of anti-marijuana laws. I've seen way too many lives and families torn to ruins because of things like meth, cocaine, heroin and the myriad of pills out there. The only real problems pot has ever caused is with the screwed up that try to govern it.

The problem with drugs is that they are popular with the younger audiences. I have no qualms with mature people who use them in moderation for recreational use (as long is it doesn't interfere with anybody elses's lives), but unfortunately there are also many unresponsable people (mostly teenagers and young adults) who do screw up their (and other people's) lives with drug use. These people think they are young and innocent and before they know it, they are in over their heads. It always starts with the "experimenting", then either they get hooked on the soft stuff or they progress to the harder stuff. Some manage to get out of it before it's too late, but most just keep spiralling downwards. The problem isn't limited to drugs either, the inherent "criminal" nature of drugs exposes these people to many seedier elements of the underworld. These people get involved in petty crimes (selling, robbery, vandalism) and eventually progress to hard crimes (DUI, assault and even murder). So if it were possible to keep these people from using drugs and ruining everyone's lives, then maybe I would be more open to their usage...

I'm a fan of hallucinogenic drugs. Nothing 'hard' like cocaine, meth, heroine. But yeah, I do think they can help one cross the threshold into a life of a deeper understanding of oneself, and a into a higher platue of consciousness.

It's unfortunate you can't weed out the unresponsibles and dependents otherwise recreational drug use would be just that, recreational. Not an excuse to escape problems or be 'accepted' and prove your hardcore. Drugs are not meant to boost your popularity. However...

Originally Posted by Spartiate

It always starts with the "experimenting", then either they get hooked on the soft stuff

There's no actual physical addiction when it comes to the 'soft stuff'. The most extreme it can get is psychological, and even that can be easily broken. You don't usually see people stealing or killing for marijuana. It's heroin and coke you have to watch out for when dealing with theft and assault.

There's a big difference between what road you take based on the first time you try something, namely marijuana. If you do it out of curiosity, you'll be fine. If you're doing it to prove yourself or escape problems, you're heading down a bad path. The positives and negatives are determined mostly by the users.

Of course if it's not apparent, I'm not against drugs... just the problematics who get their hands on them.

The "gateway drug" stuff is just anti-Marjuhana propagande. So many people smoke weed nowdays, and so very little of these people go on to become junkies. And every kid who turned in to a junkie defintely drank alcohol before he tried any other drug, so if you ask me alchohol, is the true gateway drug.

You know I actually agree with that.

So many of my friends who were once 'anti-drug' would end up smoking weed when they were tanked. It'd be the only times they'd ever touch weed.

I think my one friend even smoked meth when he was drunk, because afterwards he said he was picking the worms out of his skin. It's not his fault though, he's always been kinda stupid. :p

By "experimenting", I was referring to people who start with stuff like marijuana, and then after that they "experiment" with something a little stronger and so on and so on... I'm not saying that everyone who tries weed will be an addict, just that for a lot (and more than you people would seem to achknowledge), it is the beginning of a path that leads to worse things. And I'm not speaking from a a high and mighty anti-drug position, a huge proportion of my old high school were regular weed users, and it was very easy to tell the losers from the others. At that age, it's very hard for weed (or any other drug) not to have a negative impact on your life.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

By "experimenting", I was referring to people who start with stuff like marijuana, and then after that they "experiment" with something a little stronger and so on and so on... I'm not saying that everyone who tries weed will be an addict, just that for a lot (and more than you people would seem to achknowledge), it is the beginning of a path that leads to worse things. And I'm not speaking from a a high and mighty anti-drug position, a huge proportion of my old high school were regular weed users, and it was very easy to tell the losers from the others. At that age, it's very hard for weed (or any other drug) not to have a negative impact on your life.

That is very true. When I was 19, one of my best friends was 17 and was friends with a group of 15 year olds who were a stereotypical gang of kids who smoked pot every day, had Grateful Dead stickers on their cars, showed off their bongs to everybody who came around them, etc. At the time, pot was their only drug, except for occasional beer. Every teenager knows a version of that group. Two years later, those guys were making huge deals out of scoring pills and constantly talking about how messed up they got on pills. I knew that they were headed down a really bad road. Something that really wigs me out is that three of those guys ended up getting addicted to shooting synthetic heroin (as did other friends of mine from back then). Now, one of them is a stereotypical junkie who is completely worthless and centers his entire existence around his next hit. Another one is in and out of rehab and is on probation for selling cocaine to score his own drug. And another one died of an overdose a few months ago.

I have had my own struggles with drugs, but not anything like those guys have. To me, drugs are like an ex-wife I hate with a severe passion but am still madly in love with and still sleep with for weeks at a time even though I usually plan on never doing it again. Pot has been my number one problem. I'm glad it was that instead of something much worse, but it does cause problems when done all the time, which is the only thing I seemed to be able to do with it once I got to my early twenties. Since then, I have either been in or out. I can't make moderation happen. Drugs like LSD, salvia divinorum, and psilocybin mushrooms are okay if done seldomly and under the right circumstances, but the problem a lot of drug addicts have is that opening the door to any drug opens the door to all of them. Allowing themselves to do drug A causes spasms that make them crave drugs B, C, D, E, and F. But some people can do drugs the right way. Doing drugs is like snow skiing on double diamond slopes. You have to know what you are doing, you have to be very careful, and you have to be cut out for it in the first place. Unfortunately, some people don't find out they aren't cut out for it until it's too late. I would say that doing cocaine and heroin is like snow skiing on double diamond slopes when there are hidden land mines all over the slope.

Originally Posted by UM

You have to know what you are doing, you have to be very careful, and you have to be cut out for it in the first place. Unfortunately, some people don't find out they aren't cut out for it until it's too late.

Right on, my thoughts exactly.

It's extremely ironic because therein lies a paradox. How is the user supposed to know they're cut out for it unless they've actually tried? It's a risk that all users take. Either you can handle it or you can't, and like you said, it's the ones you can't handle it that find out once it's too late.

I think the reason of life is not to live a long life, or to even life a meaningful life, but to live a happy life. I personally believe some drugs like canabis are simply a way to make your life happier, Even if it did make my life shorter, It would be worth it to smoke canabis and only live to be 65 instead of 75. Unless your high 24/7, cause then its just plain wrong.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

By "experimenting", I was referring to people who start with stuff like marijuana, and then after that they "experiment" with something a little stronger and so on and so on... I'm not saying that everyone who tries weed will be an addict, just that for a lot (and more than you people would seem to achknowledge), it is the beginning of a path that leads to worse things. And I'm not speaking from a a high and mighty anti-drug position, a huge proportion of my old high school were regular weed users, and it was very easy to tell the losers from the others. At that age, it's very hard for weed (or any other drug) not to have a negative impact on your life.

I don't believe academic studies show very bad results in regards to pot as a gate-way drug... <=/

Still, some people are just bound to get fucked up. Be it weed, Meth, alcohol or 16 hours of World Of Warcraft a day.

Well I like all of your posts they all had thought put into them. =) Thank you for responding to my original thread starter.

Hey so now to take this thread in another discussion sort of...
Can anyone figure out why (to me) heroin is the most beautiful word ever to exist in the english language?

Personally, I don't buy the idea of pot being what leads people to harder things. The same could be said of alcohol and tobacco. I think what really does it is that druggies tend to hang out together so, eventually, people doing drugs (or alcohol or cigarettes) are going to be in with the same crowds that are doing harder, more destructive, things.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Can anyone figure out why (to me) heroin is the most beautiful word ever to exist in the english language?

Because it reminds you of a female hero?

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

Because it reminds you of a female hero?

Thats part of the answer =).

Because the person who called heroin must have been like a philosophical genius. Can you imagine anything more poetic than calling heroin heroin? lol.

To people who take it I imagine it feels like a savour to them when they are lost...so it just seems rather poetic to me.

That's an interesting way of putting it. Makes sense.