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    • Ron Paul

      15 37.50%
    • Barack Obama

      11 27.50%
    • Dennis Kucinich

      2 5.00%
    • John McCain

      1 2.50%
    • Rudolf Giuliani

      5 12.50%
    • Hilary Clinton

      3 7.50%
    • John Edwards

      0 0%
    • Fred Thompson

      1 2.50%
    • Mitt Romney

      2 5.00%
    • Joe Biden

      0 0%
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      Why kill us over here if they can kill us over there?

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      Quote Originally Posted by jaasum View Post
      Why kill us over here if they can kill us over there?
      It's about the long term future, not just a few year period. And WMD's in the hands of terrorists could kill tens of thousands or more in a single instant, not just 4,000 soldiers. We wanted to make sure that that government no longer existed so they could never use or develop WMD's to get into the hands of terrorist organizations. It was a legitimate concern. We had many other legitimate concerns, and still do.
      You are dreaming right now.

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      After our war on tyranny succeeds, the people left in those former dictatorships would be left in the economic ruins of war. Ala Germany, it would be a simple matter for new leaders to seek revenge for the destruction wrought on their country by a monolithic, seemingly-imperial alliance of powers, and rally their people to launch a new war. And so on, ad infinitum. Would it not simply be trading an unjust peace for an endless war? It could be, unless we chose the new leaders of the countries we defeated.

      And how, I ask, can any power or group of powers, appear interested in Democracy while they destroy governments and only allow leaders of their choice to take its place? Can we claim such universal trust, that people who are strangers to our culture and ideals would accept new leaders from the powers that brought war to their country?

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      Quote Originally Posted by R.D.735 View Post
      After our war on tyranny succeeds, the people left in those former dictatorships would be left in the economic ruins of war. Ala Germany, it would be a simple matter for new leaders to seek revenge for the destruction wrought on their country by a monolithic, seemingly-imperial alliance of powers, and rally their people to launch a new war. And so on, ad infinitum. Would it not simply be trading an unjust peace for an endless war? It could be, unless we chose the new leaders of the countries we defeated.

      And how, I ask, can any power or group of powers, appear interested in Democracy while they destroy governments and only allow leaders of their choice to take its place? Can we claim such universal trust, that people who are strangers to our culture and ideals would accept new leaders from the powers that brought war to their country?
      We can't just leave the countries with anarchy. In such a state, the governments that rise up will be tyrranical ones. We have to choose their first new leader. Then from there, they can shape their own government with votes. I don't know of any other way to do it. We are not leaving the coutries in economic ruin. They were already better off the days they were freed. Many of them appreciate what we have done, and I believe that most of the rest eventually will. I am certain their decendents will.
      You are dreaming right now.

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