Thread: "The US Does Not Torture"

The obvious flaw with that is that we are talking about terrorist and al qaeda and not Iran.

Originally Posted by Alric

The obvious flaw with that is that we are talking about terrorist and al qaeda and not Iran.

Iran is an Islamofascist state that supports and funds terrorism.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Iran is an Islamofascist state that supports and funds terrorism.

Exactly, meaning he will give money to any terrorists who will help him kill people. That doesn't mean the terrorists agree with him, or are fighting for the same reasons as he is. I doubt he cares if the terrorist are fighting because of his religious beliefs. As long as they are fighting at all, thats good enough for him.

Originally Posted by Alric

Exactly, meaning he will give money to any terrorists who will help him kill people. That doesn't mean the terrorists agree with him, or are fighting for the same reasons as he is. I doubt he cares if the terrorist are fighting because of his religious beliefs. As long as they are fighting at all, thats good enough for him.

Why would he be wanting to kill people if he is not an Islamofascist? What do you think his real motivation is?

From Universal Mind
Then please tell me how threatening severe pain that can be escaped by doing the right thing is synonymous with the causing of severe pain.

What's the difference between an innocent man who knows nothing and a terrorist who refuses to say anything? The idea that interrogative torture is not abusive because the victim can 'escape' assumes that one knows without a reasonable doubt that the prisoner possesses the information you need to get from him. This kind of certainty is very rare, and the logic would condemn any torture that is committed without such certainty.

Universal Mind is somewhat right regarding Iran. That country is an Islamic Republic, ruled by Ayatollah Khomeini and traditional Islamic Law. It is a theocracy. Whether it is fascistic or not, I'm not really sure, but it is certainly not a free state. If their government funds terrorists, their goals, however, are purely selfish, and not, in my opinion, likely to originate from crazed megalomania.