Thread: Why Terrorism Exists

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You automatically trust what the Hussein regime reported?

The transcript is widely published; the truth of it is actually occurring is not in question as far as I know. It wasn't denied; it was just spun later that she totally screwed up.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You also said Kuwait was illegally drilling for oil in the border region. So to get money, we told the Hussein regime they could take over Kuwait and own their oil. But then we spent a fortune on driving them out of Kuwait. Is that it? What a bizarre plan that would be.

Who knows? Some people think it was a sting operation; Saddam was set up to invade Kuwait just so we could get rid of him, since we were done with him. You refuse to admit this, but at one time, Saddam was looked at very favorably; he modernized his society, got rid of Islamic law, freed women, got people educated, etc. I don't know if the whole time he was doing horrible things to his enemies, probably so--but that was not the image of him shown to us. Why did they want to get rid of him? You can think of reasons (and probably not that Washington suddenly realized he was evil; they work with lots of evil people wiht no problem)--like maybe he was doing too good; maybe those countries are better kept ignorant and primitive and not in control of their own resources; the better for our corps to get what they want from them. Maybe we are paying the price for that now.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Then they really screwed up and did not do what they were supposed to do.

Yes--but they are always such goofs like that. I'm just absent minded; I didn't even try to hide it. If someone really wanted to hide something, I don't think it would be too hard. Oh yea, a friend of mine's wife went to somewhere in Central America, and bought like this doll thing, but when you pull the doll's head off, a big machete is hidden in the body, and she got on the plane with it. That was before the really strict screening I think. I'm just saying that they don't do what they should, that's why I think the terrorists must be really ineffective.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Yes. How does your suggestion that we should have fought the Hussein regime then (but not later ) counter the point I was making?

Well, I don't think they should have started the war, but it was not good to encourage those people to rebel, then just let them get gassed. If they hadn't started the war, it might not have happened. Does that seem like such an incompatible thing to think?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Wow, that's a pretty effective counterargument. Very analytical. Is it my turn? Okay, you're a booty-head. Cool.

Well, being deluded could explain your thinking, so my insult makes more sense. So there.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

So which are we not doing? Are we not attracting terrorists to the region, or are we not killing them when they get there? Or is it both?

We are creating a never-ending supply.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Huh? So they are forced to stay in substandard homes and collect welfare? Or are they forced to hunt for food in their government yards? What are you saying?

UM, I think it is very easy to find out about the conditions of the Palestinians. If you want to be ignorant on the subject, be that way, but it would be very easily remedied. I don't know what you're talking about, I don't know if they give them welfare or not, just that they are not allowed to travel, etc. Of course I know if they let them go where they want, they start blowing themselves up in crowded places, so that's not good either. I think Israel is part of the problem too tho; and they are not a free secular society, that's what I'm saying.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I have said several times that we cannot do that alone.

The world is sick of us. They may not be sick of our aid, but they are sick of our wars. I say eliminate both, unless there is a place that is actually trying to help itself to become an actual secular free society and just needs help doing it. Of course we may not have that here forever; we may have to help ourselves.

How long a time limit do you expect for some progress to be made in Iraq? You do read the news about what is going on over there, right? When do we get to say we told you so? Or do you expect this to take several lifetimes, so you can always just say "we're making progress"?