Thread: why do people get offended?

Duality is such a barrier...

I can taste it, through watching people's reactions to communication.

Communication in itself (and society for that), is built on dualism and makes it 'hard; to communicate a non-dualistic point of view, because of the basic terms used.

'Fuck'. The very meaning of this word is in the highest level of derogatoriness.
It takes a most beautiful act, and transforms it evil through sexual objectification and lust.

'Shit'. Through dualistic interpretation (and of course the harsh phonetics), this word represents waste. Again further objectifying the thing it is cast upon, and attributing disgust and distaste.

Many words are used like this very flippantly through habit and complacency, often used as a way to show non-conformity, and becoming something further.

I am objective...
They are all a form of expression, as all communication is. Whether 'good' or 'bad', they should not be shunned dualistically as it is not the (non-existent) 'bad' that is being destroyed, it is the expression.

As for the whole 'comfort zone' thing...

It is peoples' taking of offense that is expressing that they are not comfortable themselves with being expressive in that context.

That is their choice.

If someone dislikes a painting of a bloody nature... i would suggest they try and paint that picture themselves, and overcome their non-acceptance of that type of expression.

Striving for objectivity is one thing -- consideration.
Being objective is another -- weakness.

If you remain fully objective, you have no ideals and principles that you stand for. You just see everything as grey instead of black and white, the way it really is. The grey part of the world is where consideration spawns from of course but it must only go so far, otherwise society loses meaning in life and becomes nothing more than intellectual scavengers, like beasts that live for only survival, but self-aware.

Ok... i'll use dualistic words to describe my feelings.

I see it as good to express yourself. I believe that all expression is good, even when it may be interpreted negatively.

Being 'objective' (non-moral), is the only way to break down such unacceptance in this world.

Why make life something so complex?

People may choose to make it black and white, though in reality it has always been grey. Why is that something not to be strived for?

Because that's striving to make life meaningless. No morals, no passion, no meaning. That's what yearning for complete objectivity means. It's not just consideration, it's suppression. It's foolish too.

We can't appreciate peace and harmony without its counterweight.
I, for one, would never prefer such a world. One where people's emotions are suppressed in favour of peace and equality.



Remind you of anything? Heh.

Non-moral, is acceptance of both the 'immoral' and 'moral' singularistic 'sides' of the sphere.

I accept that i am sometimes happy, and that i am sometimes sad.

It is not bad to be sad, nor is it good.

It just is.

Inequality is the product of ego. Believing that something is greater than something else, instead of accepting that everything is flux. That everything, 'just is'.

It seems to be somewhat a by-product of unacceptance in change.

The only way to be in 'peace' is acceptance. Through acceptance there is no suppresion.

Only singularity.

You're saying all that as if one's ego is a bad thing.
Our ego is who we are. Anyone that tries to abolish it is either insane or a lonely fool whose life has no meaning due to self-induced depression and emptiness.

Ego is not a bad thing.

It is a thing though.

If a person chooses to believe that they are better than someone, or that someone is better than them, they obviously can.

It gives a 'purpose', though similar to that of a dirty sponge needing to be cleaned.
Except the sponge just keeps getting dirty.

In other words, the ego never ends. There is always a way to get lost in 'bettering' yourself.

Though that in itself is ego. That it is 'worse' to be what you currently are as to what you could be, or 'worse' to be what you were previously...
...also, that the sponge is better clean.

I choose the acceptance of ego. I choose non-duality, which is how we are naturally born.

Originally Posted by Merlock

Because that's striving to make life meaningless.

not meaningless, because if you were to ever succeed in making it completely meaningless, there would still have to be something with meaning or it couldn't be meaningless.

so it isn't striving to make life meaningless. it's non-dualistic.

I think so anyway. am I making sense, cloud?

Isn't it just a matter of respect.
Compromise a little for the sake of others beliefs, that is all.

Originally Posted by paperdoll

not meaningless, because if you were to ever succeed in making it completely meaningless, there would still have to be something with meaning or it couldn't be meaningless.

so it isn't striving to make life meaningless. it's non-dualistic.

I think so anyway. am I making sense, cloud?

You usually do

Yeah, non-dualism is a barrier in itself though. Though maybe only because language makes it that way.

Originally Posted by Howie

Isn't it just a matter of respect.
Compromise a little for the sake of others beliefs, that is all.

Definately. I preach and purr and the same time.

I don't roar since i choose not to.

It's like hurting yourself, just to prove you can do it.

I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say people feel/get offended because they feel as if they're very sense of self is being undermind and demeaned. Also if you take jabs to their ego, that's an auto-offense for most people.

Originally Posted by Merlock

You're saying all that as if one's ego is a bad thing.
Our ego is who we are. Anyone that tries to abolish it is either insane or a lonely fool whose life has no meaning due to self-induced depression and emptiness.

Wowser. a swear word has little meaning when it is used often. But it does have a place when used for emphasis I believe.

Holly SHIT, I can't disagree with you more.
The ego is not who we are! The ego is an attachment. The ego feeds itself on preconditioning.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Yeah, non-dualism is a barrier in itself though. Though maybe only because language makes it that way.

I would think that it's because we can't experience anything that's non-dualistic. even if we close our eyes and see nothing but dark, we still sense time passing.

Words like 'fuck' and 'shit' have connotations that have been created by our upbringing. Our parents tell us they are bad, we believe them. Society considers them taboo and prevents their use on television at certain times, etc, and so we come to feel uncomfortable around them. How something like this would start (as in, without parents, society telling you a word was bad) I have no idea and would be very interested to find out.

I love swearing. I find the idea of limiting your vocabulary in any way is just a waste. Swearing has an effect, a beauty in its own way just like all other words. Language is so varied and diverse, we shouldn't limit it in anyway ever.

This does not mean that I think we should swear in front of children, or our elders. Just like with all words, some are more appropriate in certain situations than others. Swearing does make some people uncomfortable (an effect that you sometimes want) and we can respect that without vowing to never swear ever. I use different language for all sorts of people, the use or disuse of swearing is no exception. But around people we know to feel comfortable around swearing, or if creating a work of art that requires it for a certain theme, mood or effect or whatever, then we should never consider censorship of language. Enjoy the language, in all its forms.

Fuck yeah.

With regards to this Forum, it is because very young people are members and read it.
Maybe that should be a consideration?

Yes, they will be subject to it by their peers and such. They to will likely see pornography at some point too.
It does not mean we have to be the fore bearers of that information.

At no point did I suggest we encourage our young to use it (or pornography). I merely implied through the medium of text-based words that we allow them to use it when they are in enviroments that are swearing friendly.

I'm sorry if my language-box failed me in my expression of intent towards you just then in that moment of communication what we were just engaged in, for I am aware at times I am of inferior stature when it comes to the act of delivering my thoughts coherently and salubriously.

...yeah.

Originally Posted by Merlock

Because that's striving to make life meaningless. No morals, no passion, no meaning. That's what yearning for complete objectivity means. It's not just consideration, it's suppression. It's foolish too.

We can't appreciate peace and harmony without its counterweight.
I, for one, would never prefer such a world. One where people's emotions are suppressed in favour of peace and equality.



Remind you of anything? Heh.

EQUILIBIRUM! Wicked movie!

Yeah true. Without Shadow no Light, Without Good no Evil, Without Pain no Pleasure and all vice versa. Contrasts. Í'm not saying that everything should be just perfect and I'm not expecting that people will never have an arguement ever again and all be nice little children. I'm just saying we might be able to make a little more ligth and a little less darkness, cuz this world is way too dark to be in balance on the greyscale.

Just a little more good wouldn't hurt this world. It's been so cruwel and hostile for millenia. Is it too much to ask from humanity to climb up the ladder of civilisation a step further? So that, instead of the endless cycle of Creation followed by Distruction, can be broken so that we can progress Socially and intellectually. Currently humans are like a dangerious, aggresive, invasive and destructive hurding creatures dominating and degrading the earth. A little learning from experience may be expected.


So that we as mankind can collectively work together and focus our attention on OTHER things, more constructive things, than Destructive War, Consuming Earth's resources till expiration, Opressing and neglecting civilians in need.
Think of what briljant things would come forth out of such a period of relief. A sort of second Renaissance.

I never get offended by profanity without context, like someone getting angry about their mistake and yelling shit in public.
They're just words.

I myself use the word "crappy" too often for some people's likings.

A little more good, a little more light instead of darkness, can be achieved through strong morals, not reaching for complete objectivity.

Say, someone murders an innocent person -- someone with strong morals for justice will slaughter the infidel who dared commit such a crime. Whilst society that adheres to complete and utter objectivity and consideration will treat the criminal with "consideration", possibly lock this criminal up for a few years, then set them free.

If we tortured people for murder, had inquisitions against those that dared insult the fairer half, curse with a foul mouth all around and all such, the world would have more than just a little more light, it'd be much better due to lack of a large amount of darkness in it.