Thread: Marijuana/cocaine should be legalized in the U.S

Originally Posted by grasshoppa

as far as im concerned grammer isnt that important as long as your message is understandable. As far as I am concerned grammer is not that important as long as your message is understandable.

Perhaps it is because people who use drugs, have experience with them. I know what it is like to get stoned on marijuana, I know its positive and negative effects, I've done my research - Do some yourself. I do not need some ingoramus telling me that I am a demotivated, brain-fried tune-box. The general population of nay-sayers have no experience with the drug, and rely on some propaganda they comsumed for information. My brother used to have old posters they used to put up on the street to warn people against the dangers of marijuana.

The official truth:

If you smoke it, you will DIE! (Or be killed by Jdog)

Do my homework. What is the assignment?

You are certainly making my point stand out.
First I did not say anything about grammar.
Second, you are being rather presumptuous. Because of my stance, you have concluded that I have no experience with any drugs?
again, you have excluded yourself out as a an unmotivated brain fried tune box. I haven't.

All I have done is witness over a period of four years that most of the drug discussion topics are degenerative on more than one level.

Originally Posted by Jacabo

the issue is responsibility. plain and simple.
legal or not you're going to have people who use responsibly and people who don't. more often the later.

there you have it.

Originally Posted by Howie

Do my homework. What is the assignment?

You are certainly making my point stand out.
First I did not say anything about grammar.
Second, you are being rather presumptuous. Because of my stance, you have concluded that I have no experience with any drugs?
again, you have excluded yourself out as a an unmotivated brain fried tune box. I haven't.

All I have done is witness over a period of four years that most of the drug discussion topics are degenerative on more than one level.



there you have it.

That whole post was not directed at you, I was answering your questions in the previous post using generalities.
I'm not saying you haven't done any homework, but for any reader/poster that has not should look into it before posting.
As for not pointing out grammar, you mentioned something about lower case discussion, no?
The 'unmotivated brain fried tune box' was a general statement. That is how some people may describe a stoner. I wasn't describing myself.
As for you not having any experience with drugs, you may or may have not. It makes sense that the general anti-drug population would have little to no experience with drugs, and generally do not have a good overall understanding of the drug (marijuana/psychedelics).
I hope this cleared things up.

Originally Posted by grasshoppa

That whole post was not directed at you, I was answering your questions in the previous post using generalities.
I'm not saying you haven't done any homework, but for any reader/poster that has not should look into it before posting.
As for not pointing out grammar, you mentioned something about lower case discussion, no?
The 'unmotivated brain fried tune box' was a general statement. That is how some people may describe a stoner. I wasn't describing myself.
As for you not having any experience with drugs, you may or may have not. It makes sense that the general anti-drug population would have little to no experience with drugs, and generally do not have a good overall understanding of the drug (marijuana/psychedelics).
I hope this cleared things up.

Becasue I was the one quoted, I took that as directed towards me.

I think the bigger misunderstanding is my error. Lower class NOT Case. We have a member here called Lowercase Society, it often rolls off my tongue, when it should not!
I did not mean to bring grammar into play. Heck, if that were the case, I would be the biggest suspect.

There are a fortunate few that can see both sides of this argument. The few that have experienced usage and have come out of it with their own intepretations. The other two, the unmotivated brain fried tune boxes < I like that, and the class that you describe, that has no experiences of their own to relate to.

sorry its just drugs make me angry. its yet another form of human cowardice, people cant deal with their problems so they hide them, regardless of the negative effects people try to hide in a wave of halucinations (among other things). when they relize hiding the problem doesnt make it go away, they try harder to hide it. Which usualy turns casual drug use into full blown addiction and abuse
honestly i dont think i can be called a coward, i am enlisted in the U.S marine corps DEP (delayed enlistment program), ile be shipping out in about a year for basic training. ive specificaly requested a combat MOS, im hoping to get infantry but wont mind if im a tanker or artillery specialist. so please dont call me a coward
ive actualy lost 3 friends over the whole issue of drugs, all 3 friendships ended in a fight when i laughed at them and called them pathetic. so drugs are an issue i will fight over. just a little insight into why i hate drugs

EDIT: i do have no personal experiance with drugs, however i dont base what i know off the government anti drug propaganda, i get most the information from my 3 former friends

Originally Posted by ClouD

Acceptance of ignorance, is fallacious yet so oddly effective.

thats kinda what my OP was getting at.

Originally Posted by Jdog

sorry its just drugs make me angry. its yet another form of human cowardice, people cant deal with their problems so they hide them, regardless of the negative effects people try to hide in a wave of halucinations (among other things). when they relize hiding the problem doesnt make it go away, they try harder to hide it. Which usualy turns casual drug use into full blown addiction and abuse
honestly i dont think i can be called a coward, i am enlisted in the U.S marine corps DEP (delayed enlistment program), ile be shipping out in about a year for basic training. ive specificaly requested a combat MOS, im hoping to get infantry but wont mind if im a tanker or artillery specialist. so please dont call me a coward
ive actualy lost 3 friends over the whole issue of drugs, all 3 friendships ended in a fight when i laughed at them and called them pathetic. so drugs are an issue i will fight over. just a little insight into why i hate drugs

EDIT: i do have no personal experiance with drugs, however i dont base what i know off the government anti drug propaganda, i get most the information from my 3 former friends

What drugs were they taking?

Originally Posted by Jdog

sorry its just drugs make me angry. its yet another form of human cowardice, people cant deal with their problems so they hide them, regardless of the negative effects people try to hide in a wave of halucinations (among other things). when they relize hiding the problem doesnt make it go away, they try harder to hide it. Which usualy turns casual drug use into full blown addiction and abuse
honestly i dont think i can be called a coward, i am enlisted in the U.S marine corps DEP (delayed enlistment program), ile be shipping out in about a year for basic training. ive specificaly requested a combat MOS, im hoping to get infantry but wont mind if im a tanker or artillery specialist. so please dont call me a coward
ive actualy lost 3 friends over the whole issue of drugs, all 3 friendships ended in a fight when i laughed at them and called them pathetic. so drugs are an issue i will fight over. just a little insight into why i hate drugs

EDIT: i do have no personal experiance with drugs, however i dont base what i know off the government anti drug propaganda, i get most the information from my 3 former friends

Not all drugs are used to hide from their problems. I'd say those drugs are probably mainly alcohol and painkillers.

I am a drug user, and so are many of my friends. I have never used them to hide from my problems, in fact, marijuana will probably make you think about your problems more and make them worse.

You think a coward takes a quarter ounce of mushrooms? You think cowards take hallucinogens? No way. If anyone, the cowards are those who are too afraid to take them. They are afraid they will go insane, or are afraid of what they might see or feel. I'm not saying it's good for everyone to take them, but cowards don't touch hallucinogens. Only people brave enough to explore their mind.


You think the military makes you brave? I think it's sick. Did you hear about the rising suicide rate of veterans? Did you ever think why? Killing people isn't fun or exciting. It's horrific. I can't believe that war still exists. It's disgusting what people do to each other because they can't accept people for who they are. If you think killing people is brave, I feel really bad for you, it makes me sick, but as others have, you will see the truth of war.

Do you really think the people who still smoke weed if there was a death penalty are cowards? how does that make sense? They would be taking a huge risk, which is the opposite of being a coward.

It seems like you think everyone , or most of the people who do drugs, do them because they want to get away from their problems. I'm sure it's that way with some drugs, but a lot of people who use them want to explore their mind and their feelings, in ways that can't be expressed to anyone. You have to experience it for yourself, or you can never know.

Anyone who has ever done marijuana or any hallucinogen will tell you that you can't hide from your problems on them. That's why it is advised to not have any when you are taking them.


Also, though cocaine and marijuana are the main drugs gangs traffic, heroin and meth are other big ones, along with any variant of them.

Drugs are like lucid dreams. I told my mom about lucid dreams and asked her if she ever had one. She said she is afraid of them, she thinks it would be scary.
I think people who don't take drugs are either against them for obvious reasons, or are scared of them.

well there is no death penalty, the current penalty amounts to a little slap on the rist. it doesnt matter if you admit it or not, most people do drugs to get away from their problems, i find it interesting that soldiers fighting in the trenches during world war one never used drugs (there were none available at the time) but people today who arent even in the military and have never seen a war think they have problems

and for the record YES i do think being in the military qualifies any person as brave, they put their bodies in between you and the terrorists, and any enemy for that matter ive seen the reports about veteren suicides and it is sad. i have never thought war is fun or exciting but unfortunatly it will be a necesaty untill the world is united.

aand the drugs for each friend was different, two were marijuana and the other was meth.

Originally Posted by Jdog

well there is no death penalty, the current penalty amounts to a little slap on the rist. it doesnt matter if you admit it or not, most people do drugs to get away from their problems, i find it interesting that soldiers fighting in the trenches during world war one never used drugs (there were none available at the time) but people today who arent even in the military and have never seen a war think they have problems

and for the record YES i do think being in the military qualifies any person as brave, they put their bodies in between you and the terrorists, and any enemy for that matter ive seen the reports about veteren suicides and it is sad. i have never thought war is fun or exciting but unfortunatly it will be a necesaty untill the world is united.

aand the drugs for each friend was different, two were marijuana and the other was meth.

I live in a rural area, so it's probably different than the city, but most of the people I know don't use drugs to escape their problems. I think they make you think about it in a different way and can help a lot. Like MDMA, it was used in therapy before it was illegal and it was said to have done years worth of therapy in just a few or even 1 MDMA session. I can definitely see why after taking it.

I'm not a person that just takes anything they can get their hands on. I wasn't at a party or anything when I took the MDMA either. I was with friends and it was pure, I could tell because the capsule was clear and it was from a reliable source. I also did a lot of research about it, which I do with any drug I plan on experimenting with.

I think it's a waste to not experiment with your mind. I agree that not everyone is ready, or ever will be for this sort of experimentation, but many very smart people have taken drugs. You can say drug users are cowards, I guess it's your way to make sure you never take them. You've been told over and over how bad they are for you, so you won't accept that it could be beneficial. You will never know why people do drugs. It's something that can't be explained properly to someone who hasn't experienced it.

It's just the way I am really. I love experiencing new things. My experiences on these substances is something that is very dear to me. I think it changed my close-minded view of the world. It made me realize the beauty in everything. And before I used drugs I was very depressed.

Having a lucid dream and trying to convey the experience is impossible. Just as trying to convey an experience with a chemical.

I'd like to add that I don't use heroin, cocaine, or methamphetamine. I think physically addictive chemicals are horrible. Any addiction to a chemical that is mentally addictive is the same as chocolate or coffee or even TV, it's something that you like, so you do it. I know people more addicted to TV than I have ever been with a drug.

I think the responsible use of entheogens should be legal, either under supervision or for adults. I think there should be source where you can get these chemicals, and know 100&#37; that they are clean and pure.



I am pretty sure there was drug use in World War I. I'm not certain, but I think Morphine abuse was the main one ever since it was created.


There aren't any soldiers putting their body in front of mine... They are miles away making them more angry. They want us there, it is a lot easier to kill us there than here. We are just sending people out to die. It's really sad. War just makes all the relatives of the person you just killed really pissed off, and now you have more. What are we going to do? Kill them all? When do you think the war on terrorism will end? Oh thats right, It wont. It's probably been present in human history since the beginning. It's a war that cannot be won, only fought. And America has too much pride to back out of it, like in Vietnam. Getting a country under your control is very hard. Guerrilla tactics can't be fought conventionally.


So we should just kill everyone until the world is united? I really don't think killing people will unite us. It creates hate. We have to kill the hate, not create it.



This is what Religion is, and has been doing since its conception. People have different beliefs and fight and kill because of them , instead of trying to understand and help eachother.

I thought violence was never the answer?

Originally Posted by Jdog

well there is no death penalty, the current penalty amounts to a little slap on the rist. it doesnt matter if you admit it or not, most people do drugs to get away from their problems, i find it interesting that soldiers fighting in the trenches during world war one never used drugs (there were none available at the time) but people today who arent even in the military and have never seen a war think they have problems

and for the record YES i do think being in the military qualifies any person as brave, they put their bodies in between you and the terrorists, and any enemy for that matter ive seen the reports about veteren suicides and it is sad. i have never thought war is fun or exciting but unfortunatly it will be a necesaty untill the world is united.

aand the drugs for each friend was different, two were marijuana and the other was meth.

Until the world is the United World of America? Lol.

Many people take advil/asprin/tylonol to get away from headache problems without thinking twice. Actually many soldiers used (cant think of the name, very very strong pain reliver used for birth and other painful shit...starts with 'M' I think?) when they knew they were going to die, hows that not running away from your problems? Different drugs for different purposes. Not all drugs are used to get away from problems. I actually agree with yay saying that marijuana makes you think about your problems even more, psychedelics to an even greater extent.

You think a coward takes a quarter ounce of mushrooms? You think cowards take hallucinogens? No way. If anyone, the cowards are those who are too afraid to take them. They are afraid they will go insane, or are afraid of what they might see or feel. I'm not saying it's good for everyone to take them, but cowards don't touch hallucinogens. Only people brave enough to explore their mind.

You think the military makes you brave? I think it's sick. Did you hear about the rising suicide rate of veterans? Did you ever think why? Killing people isn't fun or exciting. It's horrific. I can't believe that war still exists. It's disgusting what people do to each other because they can't accept people for who they are. If you think killing people is brave, I feel really bad for you, it makes me sick, but as others have, you will see the truth of war.

Exactly. I coudln't agree more. You articulated some of the exact same thoughts I had.

Originally Posted by yay

I am a drug user, and so are many of my friends. I have never used them to hide from my problems, in fact, marijuana will probably make you think about your problems more and make them worse.

You think a coward takes a quarter ounce of mushrooms? You think cowards take hallucinogens? No way. If anyone, the cowards are those who are too afraid to take them. They are afraid they will go insane, or are afraid of what they might see or feel. I'm not saying it's good for everyone to take them, but cowards don't touch hallucinogens. Only people brave enough to explore their mind.


You think the military makes you brave? I think it's sick. Did you hear about the rising suicide rate of veterans? Did you ever think why? Killing people isn't fun or exciting. It's horrific. I can't believe that war still exists. It's disgusting what people do to each other because they can't accept people for who they are. If you think killing people is brave, I feel really bad for you, it makes me sick, but as others have, you will see the truth of war.

Do you really think the people who still smoke weed if there was a death penalty are cowards? how does that make sense? They would be taking a huge risk, which is the opposite of being a coward.

It seems like you think everyone , or most of the people who do drugs, do them because they want to get away from their problems. I'm sure it's that way with some drugs, but a lot of people who use them want to explore their mind and their feelings, in ways that can't be expressed to anyone. You have to experience it for yourself, or you can never know.

Anyone who has ever done marijuana or any hallucinogen will tell you that you can't hide from your problems on them. That's why it is advised to not have any when you are taking them.


Also, though cocaine and marijuana are the main drugs gangs traffic, heroin and meth are other big ones, along with any variant of them.

Drugs are like lucid dreams. I told my mom about lucid dreams and asked her if she ever had one. She said she is afraid of them, she thinks it would be scary.
I think people who don't take drugs are either against them for obvious reasons, or are scared of them.

Not all drugs are used to hide from their problems. I'd say those drugs are probably mainly alcohol and painkillers.

What a sad generalization. How would one even respond?

EDIT text.
Not going to help anyway.

Edit twice.

Health?

Originally Posted by Jdog

sorry its just drugs make me angry. its yet another form of human cowardice, people cant deal with their problems so they hide them, regardless of the negative effects people try to hide in a wave of halucinations (among other things). when they relize hiding the problem doesnt make it go away, they try harder to hide it. Which usualy turns casual drug use into full blown addiction and abuse

I'm sorry but you are extremely misinformed. A lot of the people I knew in high school were drug users. Some used more, some used less. But nobody I knew used them for therapy. All of them were, for the most part, well balanced people.

Even if your point were true, do you think that jailing these people is the best course of action? I don't.

honestly i dont think i can be called a coward, i am enlisted in the U.S marine corps DEP (delayed enlistment program), ile be shipping out in about a year for basic training. ive specificaly requested a combat MOS, im hoping to get infantry but wont mind if im a tanker or artillery specialist. so please dont call me a coward

I'm not saying that you are lying, just why does your profile say you are 15 years old?

ive actualy lost 3 friends over the whole issue of drugs, all 3 friendships ended in a fight when i laughed at them and called them pathetic. so drugs are an issue i will fight over. just a little insight into why i hate drugs

EDIT: i do have no personal experiance with drugs, however i dont base what i know off the government anti drug propaganda, i get most the information from my 3 former friends

That's fine. You don't have to associate with people who use drugs if you don't want to. But do you really need these people removed from society to feel comfortable? And consider this: drugs being illegal did not stop your friends from starting to use them.

You must be able to see that outlawing drugs is not a viable solution (this has been proven over that last few decades). It would be much easier to deal with the problem from inside the system rather than outside. Don't you agree?



EDIT: Unless somebody bring something new to the table this will be my last post in this thread. I think I made my point of view known.

Originally Posted by unrest

I'm sorry but you are extremely misinformed. A lot of the people I knew in high school were drug users. Some used more, some used less. But nobody I knew used them for therapy. All of them were, for the most part, well balanced people.

Even if your point were true, do you think that jailing these people is the best course of action? I don't.



I'm not saying that you are lying, just why does your profile say you are 15 years old?



That's fine. You don't have to associate with people who use drugs if you don't want to. But do you really need these people removed from society to feel comfortable? And consider this: drugs being illegal did not stop your friends from starting to use them.

You must be able to see that outlawing drugs is not a viable solution (this has been proven over that last few decades). It would be much easier to deal with the problem from inside the system rather than outside. Don't you agree?



EDIT: Unless somebody bring something new to the table this will be my last post in this thread. I think I made my point of view known.

that was a typo which i have now corrected lol i hit 1992 rather then 1990 for some reason

I also want to add that a lot of very nice people do drugs, and putting people who are not evil in prison is out of the question.

We need to greatly expand the war on the demand side of the drug problem but call it off on the supply side. A great deal of information about drugs that people need to know is not being taught in schools.

Originally Posted by Jdog

ive actualy lost 3 friends over the whole issue of drugs, all 3 friendships ended in a fight when i laughed at them and called them pathetic.

Way to be supportive to those with whom you are supposedly friends. It's no wonder the friendships ended. You do need to revise your evaluation of the reason though. It wasn't the drugs, it was your laughing at them and calling them pathetic. If it really had mattered to you to help your friends, perhaps you could have found a more constructive approach.

Originally Posted by skysaw

Way to be supportive to those with whom you are supposedly friends. It's no wonder the friendships ended. You do need to revise your evaluation of the reason though. It wasn't the drugs, it was your laughing at them and calling them pathetic. If it really had mattered to you to help your friends, perhaps you could have found a more constructive approach.

You may think in a similar manner to someone who has lost their friends.