Thread: Why are drugs illegal?

No, those things do happen. The statistics on death and serious injuries resulting to others from recreational driving are pretty high. All of those other things can and soemtimes do hurt people not participating too.

Like I said -grasping for straws. I can't believe I have to point this out *An accident. Just as it even says -"How afwul the younger Parlin must feel about this terrible accident. Our condolences go out to the family, and we hope that the younger Parlin finds a healthy way to deal with the terrible emotions he must be feeling right now."
Those people you do speak of on the sidelines, are there on their own will too. If they are not, it is still considered an accident. Don't you agree?
Like talking on cell phones. That is a decision not an accident. It is proving to effect others, hence the ban on driving & using them in some areas.
Accident. wow.
This thread was an accident.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Omg, BAN GOLF!!!!!!!!!! ban video games too, ban schooling, ban freedom of speech (although it's pretty much non existant because pricks with authority say "stfu or i will prison you foo" for saying something), BAN THE INTARNET!

This is always something to be aware of too. How easy it is to band together and stand behind something that, on the surface looks so obvious and easy to stand for.

Originally Posted by Howie

Like I said -grasping for straws. I can't believe I have to point this out *An accident. Just as it even says -"How afwul the younger Parlin must feel about this terrible accident. Our condolences go out to the family, and we hope that the younger Parlin finds a healthy way to deal with the terrible emotions he must be feeling right now."
Those people you do speak of on the sidelines, are there on their own will too. If they are not, it is still considered an accident. Don't you agree?
Like talking on cell phones. That is a decision not an accident. It is proving to effect others, hence the ban on driving & using them in some areas.
Accident. wow.
This thread was an accident.



This is always something to be aware of too. How easy it is to band together and stand behind something that, on the surface looks so obvious and easy to stand for.

Now tell me what your point is. Then tell me about some salvia accidents.

Well the only case I could find was this one. Apparently this case is the reason salvia has been made illegal in seven states.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Now tell me what your point is. Then tell me about some salvia accidents.

By Now Universal, if you do not get my point, you will never get it.
Salvia, that is now the new diversion aside from alcohol, cigarettes and what ever else you can conjure up.
Let's talk of peyote now.

Originally Posted by 27

Well the only case I could find was this one. Apparently this case is the reason salvia has been made illegal in seven states.

It is interesting that alcohol was also in the suicide committer's blood, yet the politicians that banned salvia because of the suicide did not say one thing about any need to ban alcohol even though 65% of suicides happen under the influence of alcohol. The guy was also thought to have been in a depression, and he was on an acne medication that has strong psychological side-effects? Is there a push to ban that acne medication? That ONE case is what influenced the banning of salvia in Delaware, and other states are being influenced by it too. How could those politicians possibly not know how absurd that is?

Originally Posted by Howie

By Now Universal, if you do not get my point, you will never get it.
Salvia, that is now the new diversion aside from alcohol, cigarettes and what ever else you can conjure up.
Let's talk of peyote now.

Okay, let's talk about peyote. Fill in the blanks... Peyote should be illegal because ___________________________________________, but golf should be legal because _______________________________________. Try to work your bizarre tangent about "accident" into your answer.

I mentioned salvia specifically because I asked you repeatedly in the other thread to tell me some stories about salvia causing death or serious injury. You still have not done that. I think we should compare notes on salvia and golf. But we can compare peyote and golf first. We can get DMT into the discussion after that if you want to.

Posted 12/30/06

'Salvia Divinorum Experience'

I am going to post this as is, unrefined and unedited so it may likely seem abstract and...well outright idiotic to some. To change it would defeat the purpose.

My thoughts on viewing abstract art:

Grace, elegance, Beauty. It it not only defined by the nature of the observer? The mind itself, when by itself can stimulate creation, unfold boundaries and consider.
Can one posses the ability to see beauty from all sides? Is it not a duality? An introspective, interactive alignment of thought perception and awareness. Spacial recognition of fact and fiction. Neither to which it does not matter. The state of existence is illusory in nature. So to is beauty in any given instance. Maybe only recognized for that instance beauty never "is" beauty. Like an experience, it arises and unfolds to any number of given variables.
The painting is....
The painting is what? The painting is nothing, it just is. No attachment, no preconditioned thought of what was or will be. The painting is. The painting is to one what it may not be to another. The painting is not beauty. In form it has a past and an inevitable end. on view it should matter not who the creator was. Experienced one day as a pleasure and the next a trial. That is expression, changing in form always.
The painting is.......


I myself have not read this since the actual experience three days ago.
I find it was a feeble attempt to express how abstract work can be appreciated by all and not labeled.

The above experiment was conducted with Salvia Divnorum extract. Not diluted. Eight drops in two increments.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I mentioned salvia specifically because I asked you repeatedly in the other thread to tell me some stories about salvia causing death or serious injury. You still have not done that. I think we should compare notes on salvia and golf. But we can compare peyote and golf first. We can get DMT into the discussion after that if you want to.

Had Salvia been the issue in this topic until saliva became illegal in Illinois? Where? Somewhere in the latter parts of the sixth page? Prior to that it was in the SKA'a list of non dangerous drugs.

You have shared with us that you have had some laughs about it becoming illegal, or how the effects (whatever you deem those to be) only last ten minutes[i].
Or how it cannot practically (almost; nearly?) be illegal.
Or attach it to your exaggerated list of activities, then ask, "should people go to jail for this?" I do not recall anyone mentioning jail. Do you?
How illegal drug users should be handled is another example of what has NOT been the topic of conversation. Similar to medical usage.
Sure, They could be. You just throw them in where you feel you deem appropriate, where you feel they will make an impact.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

It is interesting that alcohol was also in the suicide committer's blood, yet the politicians that banned salvia because of the suicide did not say one thing about any need to ban alcohol even though 65% of suicides happen under the influence of alcohol. The guy was also thought to have been in a depression, and he was on an acne medication that has strong psychological side-effects? Is there a push to ban that acne medication? That ONE case is what influenced the banning of salvia in Delaware, and other states are being influenced by it too. How could those politicians possibly not know how absurd that is?



Okay, let's talk about peyote. Fill in the blanks... Peyote should be illegal because ___________________________________________, but golf should be legal because _______________________________________. Try to work your bizarre tangent about "accident" into your answer

You do not seem to understand the underlying concepts I guess.
As a recreational driver, one does not set out to create an accident. Nor does a salvia user. How is this different?
Taking salvia on your own accord was not an accident was it?
The "hit" lasted only ten minutes. Does that make the difference?
If a driver has an accident and he is proven to be at fault, he is accountable for those actions.
I have made several attempts at pointing out a difference between engaging in an activity that automatically puts you at fault and others at risk, as opposed to the difference of that of an accident. Even though an accident, someone is still accountable for his/her own actions. Is this a pretty bizarre tangent?
Do I have to slowly and deliberately take golf, explain that scenario, then go on to football, so on and so forth?
Do I have to take each drug individually that (I believe we all agree) alters the minds perception. Then laboriously explain why this differentiates from the above?

Exactly, when you are driving a car, you are responsible for your own actions. Shouldn't it be the same way with drugs? If you hurt someone while on drugs, you should be responsible for that. But it shouldn't be illegal to posses or use drugs.

Originally Posted by 27

Exactly, when you are driving a car, you are responsible for your own actions. Shouldn't it be the same way with drugs? If you hurt someone while on drugs, you should be responsible for that. But it shouldn't be illegal to posses or use drugs.

It does take an action in both cases. You have to get behind the wheel.
You do ingest drugs, chemicals or herbs consciously, on your own will and terms. This unfortuantly varies for some who are the responsible user. A car does not alter a person's perception - chemically!!!!!!!!!
Is this that hard to understand?