Thread: Why i think the USA won't Nuke or invade Iran

Originally Posted by bluefinger

And so make your own land inhabitable for thousands and thousands of years? Sounds like a bastion of reason here [/sarcasm]

"Sarcasm", huh? We heard it there first. May the games begin.

No, we are all for just allowing a communist government to take us over. We'll roll over and be their bitches if they make us. Americans don't believe in dying for freedom. [sarcasm]

Originally Posted by bluefinger

You are still working on assumptions that everyone is as zealously opposed any sort of invasion like you. Insurgents are actually trained rebels, not citizens here, so of course they would be effective. A citizen may have done hunting or did some shooting at a range, but when push comes to shove and that citizen, along with many others, is on the receiving end of Chinese military manoeuvre, most would flee for their lives. Not many people would stick around to cause trouble.

You apparently don't know Americans very well, even if you do live "here". Where do you live? It says the UK in your profile. How is that "here"?

A lot of our population is ex-military, a whole lot of it is redneck nut job with guns, a great deal of it is ghetto gangster with guns, and most of the rest worship our country as if it is a god, and it wouldn't take a long time to learn how to shoot a gun and blow up a bomb. It's not rocket science. We have a culture that places freedom above life itself. It is like a religion here. It is what we were founded on, and it is what gave us the determination to drive England the Hell out of here with such a small number of troops and armed citizens. There would be a world record citizen backlash in the midst of a Chinese invasion of the United States. You can bet the farm on that one.

I don't understand why you are so Hell bent on the armed citizenry part any way. I said it would be a bonus. Even if only twenty million people took up their own arms, which is a vast underestimate, that would definitely be a big time bonus, as illustrated by what you said about driving the Chinese into the sky and making them all completely cover themselves in armor. You did suggest both of those, didn't you? What is many times bigger is our military factor. So is our nuke deterrent.

The Chinese will never invade us. Accept it even if you don't like it.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

And yet Israel, Pakistan, and India have nuclear capability, of which the latter two don't exactly have great relations? Hmmm... something is just not right here.

Can they blow up an entire country within thirty minutes, and when was the last time one of them tried to completely take over one of the other ones you named? Something is not right with your analogy.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

I have a marksmanship award for use of a .22 rifle

Holy shit. Remind me not to fuck with YOU.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

but they are really useless unless aimed at the head.

Hopefully other types of guns will be invented some day.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

200 million is still a completely outrageous claim, and unfortunately, this is boiling down to over-zealous patriotism, something quite humorously satirised in Starship Troopers.

This isn't France. Guns are legal and majorly abundant here, and being taken over by a government that is here to oppress us and not help us would have the masses going ape shit like nothing that has ever happened on this planet. Perhaps you should study something other than Starship Troopers to understand that aspect of reality.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Nukes would be out of the question as a defensive measure, and even using them in retaliation to an invasion would get Russia and other nations screaming "NUKE FIGHT!!!!1!11 LOLOLOLOLOL". Which of course, would lead to complete, worldwide obliteration.

We will turn China into a black spot on the map if that's what it takes to prevent being taken over by them. What Russia does is their thing. China does not want to even roll dice with the nuke fight scenario. They are not going to invade us. It is a fact. Sorry to disappoint you.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

I do hope most of that is done in jest, otherwise it is quite the disturbing revelation.

Please say that again, but with fewer pronouns.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

"Sarcasm", huh? We heard it there first. May the games begin.

No, we are all for just allowing a communist government to take us over. We'll roll over and be their bitches if they make us. Americans don't believe in dying for freedom. [sarcasm]

Okay, I get it, but still.. what's the point of nuking your own land just to prevent an invasion? It just isn't logical.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You apparently don't know Americans very well, even if you do live "here". Where do you live? It says the UK in your profile. How is that "here"?

Sorry, I didn't phrase that sentence correctly. What I meant to say was that Insurgents are mostly rebels or 'terrorists' that have had training in guerilla warfare, etc, hence their current effectiveness in the Iraq war. Citizens, at most, form untrained militias, of which their effectiveness varies. I hope that clears things up. Oh, just an FYI, I simply live in the UK, my nationality is not English.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

A lot of our population is ex-military, a whole lot of it is redneck nut job with guns, a great deal of it is ghetto gangster with guns, and most of the rest worship our country as if it is a god, and it wouldn't take a long time to learn how to shoot a gun and blow up a bomb. It's not rocket science. We have a culture that places freedom above life itself. It is like a religion here. It is what we were founded on, and it is what gave us the determination to drive England the Hell out of here with such a small number of troops and armed citizens. There would be a world record citizen backlash in the midst of a Chinese invasion of the United States. You can bet the farm on that one.

Noted, but nonetheless... people would still try to move away from danger and peril. Of course, there would be numerous people who would stick around, but it would only be a fraction of the majority.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I don't understand why you are so Hell bent on the armed citizenry part any way. I said it would be a bonus. Even if only twenty million people took up their own arms, which is a vast underestimate, that would definitely be a big time bonus, as illustrated by what you said about driving the Chinese into the sky and making them all completely cover themselves in armor. You did suggest both of those, didn't you? What is many times bigger is our military factor. So is our nuke deterrent.

The Chinese will never invade us. Accept it even if you don't like it.

In war, numbers confer little advantage. Considering any armed force is vastly better supplied than maybe 20 million armed citizens, even those twenty million aren't much in the face of a sustained conflict.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Can they blow up an entire country within thirty minutes, and when was the last time one of them tried to completely take over one of the other ones you named? Something is not right with your analogy.

I haven't seen Iran do much other than blow a whole load of smoke, of which the US administration has done nothing but respond to obvious provocations. Plus, making a comment such as "Can they blow up an entire country within thirty minutes?" is not exactly a positive thing to boast about.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Holy shit. Remind me not to fuck with YOU.

My sarcasm meter just went off the scale... heh, I only made that as a comment, not to boast about it like a pissing contest.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Hopefully other types of guns will be invented some day.

And now my sarcasm meter has imploded... just too much sarcasm for it to handle.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

This isn't France. Guns are legal and majorly abundant here, and being taken over by a government that is here to oppress us and not help us would have the masses going ape shit like nothing that has ever happened on this planet. Perhaps you should study something other than Starship Troopers to understand that aspect of reality.

Please, don't assume ignorance just because I made reference to only one thing. I'm not assuming you're stupid, I'm just curious as to all the assertions you have made.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

We will turn China into a black spot on the map if that's what it takes to prevent being taken over by them. What Russia does is their thing. China does not want to even roll dice with the nuke fight scenario. They are not going to invade us. It is a fact. Sorry to disappoint you.

Relying on nukes as a deterrent is fairly weak, to be honest. Besides, this is a theoretical discussion on the highly unlikely scenario of a chinese invasion on the US, and China and the US have strong economic ties anyway, so neither would consider an invasion, nor nuking the shit out of the other.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Please say that again, but with fewer pronouns.

"I hope most of what is said here is said in a light-hearted fashion", if that helps.