Thread: Why i think the USA won't Nuke or invade Iran

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Actually, if it did end up like that, I'm sure China would simply skip the invasion bit and go for the nuking.

Then why would we nuke them?

Originally Posted by bluefinger

My actual nationality is something I want to keep to myself (for the purpose of maintaining a certain amount of anonymity), but I can say I'm not American either. I prefer to see myself as a person of the world as opposed to a person of a country (just a preference, really).

What? Telling me what country you are from would reveal who you are? Wait... You're that guy who was born in Canada. Busted!

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Maybe... but I remain sceptical about the actual effectiveness. Maybe in situations where people cannot flee and have no choice but to fight would they really be effective (again, nothing quite as dangerous as a desperate person), but as long as it is possible to flee from danger, then such effectiveness is somewhat iffy. Oh well, I think we have beaten this horse enough, don't you think?

Sure. But I am still not ready to put on armor and walk into Detroit when everybody there is ready to kill me, especially if they are just helping out the U.S. military.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Yeah, geographical issues will be a big problem for any invading army, no matter it's size. But your armed citizenry (again those who are willing to fight) would be most concentrated in larger cities, whilst in the countryside, would be too spread out to really form effective resistance.

What are the Chinese troops going to do out in the countryside? Take over some hills?

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Well, perhaps if the US administration took a different tact with the Iranians (not invasion, btw), perhaps they may be more successful on dissuading the Iranians from their crazy shenanigans. You know... like getting them to sit on a table and take them seriously, because if they feel they aren't getting ignored or being threatened with sanctions, perhaps they might feel more inclined to listen. Just a thought.

I think it is maybe worth a try, but don't forget that we are dealing with religious nuts who train terrorist groups to kill "infidels" and stone people to death for adultery and homosexuality. It is not very different from trying to reason with rabid dogs. What could we possibly say to the Iranian government that would convince them not to have nukes other than, "You build nukes, bad things happen to you."?

Originally Posted by bluefinger

And I hope no country, US or otherwise, makes the choice of using a nuke.

Ditto. I hope nobody ever uses a nuke again. I think the Chinese feel the same way. I don't think the Iranians do.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Oh no, it sure isn't. If I want a guide to history, I pick up a book on the subject. I merely made the reference because it was a movie I enjoyed due to its dark satire and comment on various elements of American society, etc. Plus, it was a fun, b-movie style sci-fi war film.

I think your sarcasm detector must have blown a fuse. Or maybe mine is going off so hard I can't even hear it.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

First of all, the Japanese never knew the development of such a powerful weapon, and so when it was first used, it had the shock effect which was very effective at melting the Japanese mentality. Now, if they had known, they would have probably tried to find ways to prevent such bombings from occurring, but as it was obvious they weren't aware, and had two cities pretty much levelled, of course it was going to dissuade them. Such is the effectiveness of a surprise attack, not necessarily due to the nuke.

I think having two cities levelled has people rethinking strategy pretty much every time. I also think that the threat of having two cities levelled has a lot of people putting away their strategy pads and going fishing.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Then why would we nuke them?

Perhaps out of boredom maybe? Only joking... well, if in that case, then it wouldn't happen, because again, simply too unlikely.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What? Telling me what country you are from would reveal who you are? Wait... You're that guy who was born in Canada. Busted!

Oh noes! I've been found out! Crap...
It's just my preference to maintain at least some form of anonymity with my personal details. Nothing personal, it's just a habit of mine.

Originally Posted by Universal

Mind Sure. But I am still not ready to put on armor and walk into Detroit when everybody there is ready to kill me, especially if they are just helping out the U.S. military.

Heh, fair enough...

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What are the Chinese troops going to do out in the countryside? Take over some hills?

Well, manoeuvre their armies to and fro... easier to move through areas of less resistance. May not necessarily mean claiming a hill, but if an army can move more freely, then it would advantageous to secure the countryside.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I think it is maybe worth a try, but don't forget that we are dealing with religious nuts who train terrorist groups to kill "infidels" and stone people to death for adultery and homosexuality. It is not very different from trying to reason with rabid dogs. What could we possibly say to the Iranian government that would convince them not to have nukes other than, "You build nukes, bad things happen to you."?

I am aware of their 'policies' and human rights record, but sometimes, getting them to sit down by a table and taking them seriously is really the only way to get them to listen. And also, the only way change is going to happen within the country is if the people are willing enough to risk their lives for it, and if the chance is given for change to flourish, so this is something to work towards on the long-term scale, as opposed to the short-term diffusing of this 'pissing contest' between Iran and the US government.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Ditto. I hope nobody ever uses a nuke again. I think the Chinese feel the same way. I don't think the Iranians do.

I think maybe the Iranians want a Dr. Frankenstein moment with nuclear power... you know.. "it's alive! It's ALIVE!!" and the power rush it gives. Perhaps we wouldn't such a problem with the Iranians developing nuclear power if they simply allowed the necessary concessions in order to insure it was only for peaceful purposes right from the beginning. Who knows...

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I think your sarcasm detector must have blown a fuse. Or maybe mine is going off so hard I can't even hear it.

If my sarcasm detector is broke, it was from your overwhelming sarcastic posts . But the thing is... I actually enjoyed that movie... I even have it in my DVD collection.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I think having two cities levelled has people rethinking strategy pretty much every time. I also think that the threat of having two cities levelled has a lot of people putting away their strategy pads and going fishing.

Or with the latter option, only encourage the most fearless, and probably sociopathic strategists to keep on scheming and plotting. But, in the Japanese situation, I think a lot of the strategical change was due to the fact it was essentially a complete surprise, along with the severity of the attack that forced them to change tact.