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      Quote Originally Posted by bluefinger View Post
      Well then, in that case, isn't protecting your wife and daughter more important than your country or your own brains? If not, how would you prioritise it?
      I could give a damn about this country. I think I was pretty clear up there in regards to how I explained it. The scenerio was was also clear as well and I'll reinerate what I said and make it more elementry for those who didn't understand. My Country Invaded - Me - Splattering Brains all over the pavement bottom Line.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ne-yo View Post
      I could give a damn about this country. I think I was pretty clear up there in regards to how I explained it. The scenerio was was also clear as well and I'll reinerate what I said and make it more elementry for those who didn't understand. My Country Invaded - Me - Splattering Brains all over the pavement bottom Line.
      Exactly!. Now i wonder why some people are surpised at the reaction of iraqs people to the invasion when all they have to do is think what would they do if a foreign power invaded there own country.
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      Quote Originally Posted by dragonoverlord View Post
      Exactly!. Now i wonder why some people are surpised at the reaction of iraqs people to the invasion when all they have to do is think what would they do if a foreign power invaded there own country.
      You cannot equate China invading the United States with the United States invading Iraq. We are not an oppressed terrorist dictatorship where genocide occurs, and China would not be here to save us from such a government. They would be here to give us one. Humongous difference.

      Also, the insurgents in Iraq know that we would leave if they would stop engaging in insurgency. They are not fighting to get us to leave. They could do that by not fighting. They are fighting to prevent democracy.
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      Its really not different at all, atleast not to the people living in the country. It looks exactly the same to them. You see a tank driving down the street, does it matter why its there? Just being there is pretty scary.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      Its really not different at all, atleast not to the people living in the country. It looks exactly the same to them. You see a tank driving down the street, does it matter why its there? Just being there is pretty scary.
      We are accepted by a great portion of the Iraqi people. Even a major portion of the people who want us to leave say they are glad we overthrew the Hussein regime. Do you think Americans would be saying things like that about a Chinese invasion? How many Americans would be holding up signs saying, "Thank you, China."? Would Americans in large numbers eagerly take pictures with Chinese soldiers and smile in the pictures?

      I have asked this question about a thousand times and never gotten an answer. The insurgents know that their insurgency is what is keeping us in Iraq and that if they quit we would leave. Right? So why do they continue with the insurgency? Seriously... Why?

      It is a nonsensical idea that the insurgents are doing what they do to make us leave when they know that what they are doing is specifically what is keeping us there. If you disagree, please be the first to explain otherwise.

      The only possible explanation is that they are against democracy, as Zarqawi flat out said he was and as Bin Laden has said he is. Anybody who is against democracy is wrong. Oppressive dictatorship is not a legitimate form of government. It is completely out of the question, it should be internationally outlawed, and we are not bad people for standing in the way of it. I am surprised you don't agree with me, considering all you have said about individual liberties. The freedom I say people are entitled to from birth (Remember what you said about gun rights?) is something that applies to all people, not just Americans.
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      Thats because your using a poor example, china. What would happen if instead of china it was UN peace keepers? Say there was some big problem and they came in to help us out. A lot of people would probably support them helping. What happens when they don't leave however? Well then people start getting mad at them.

      And me, I would hate them at the very start, like many others. I am sure even years after being here, there would be people still thanking the UN.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      Thats because your using a poor example, china. What would happen if instead of china it was UN peace keepers? Say there was some big problem and they came in to help us out. A lot of people would probably support them helping. What happens when they don't leave however? Well then people start getting mad at them.

      And me, I would hate them at the very start, like many others. I am sure even years after being here, there would be people still thanking the UN.
      If the Hussein regime were our government, you can bet the farm that I would really want the U.N. coming in and installing a new government. Now suppose that the Hussein regime was Christian and supported Christian terrorists and terrorist groups. If masses of brainwashed fundamentalist Christians started blowing up shopping centers and shooting at crowds and soldiers and creating chaos everywhere so the new government would not work, I would totally understand why the U.N. decided to remain for as long as they need to. It would be completely legitimate and necessary. I would be one of the smiling people in the pictures.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      You cannot equate China invading the United States with the United States invading Iraq. We are not an oppressed terrorist dictatorship where genocide occurs, and China would not be here to save us from such a government. They would be here to give us one. Humongous difference.

      Also, the insurgents in Iraq know that we would leave if they would stop engaging in insurgency. They are not fighting to get us to leave. They could do that by not fighting. They are fighting to prevent democracy.

      The USa comes in on less then legitmiate reasons and over throws the country and puts takns and soldiers in the streets and they break into peoples h ouses and walk all over people and IRaqis dont like that shit. Promises of "democracy" wont stop people from not liking being walked on like that they will fight.
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