Synchromysticism

Ah...

That goes without saying, really...

Naturally, I agree... :chuckle:

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Originally Posted by O'nus

True enough.. I am just making the effort to point out the pointlessness of the whole topic.

Kind of like the Cartesian circle. Don't you agree..?

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It'd be different for everyone. Pointless for you, interesting for someone else.

Everyone is jumping on Cyclic13's choad for coming off as "all knowing" but I’m honestly not seeing any humility or self questioning from the other camp. Personally I think the 'not liking what you see when you look in the mirror' analogy holds.

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Originally Posted by really

It'd be different for everyone. Pointless for you, interesting for someone else.

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If you like to discuss in circles and live in a paradox, then by all means embrace the pointlessness of Cartesian circles.

Here is how discussions should always go then: we cannot know anything, so don't try and claim to know anything.

What is the point then in having any discussion about anything ever under this pretense? Furthermore, what is the point then in even living if you doubt the significance of everything including your very own existance?

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Originally Posted by The Enterer

Everyone is jumping on Cyclic13's choad for coming off as "all knowing" but I’m honestly not seeing any humility or self questioning from the other camp. Personally I think the 'not liking what you see when you look in the mirror' analogy holds.

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If you are saying that we are reacting negatively because the criticism being offered is true and we simply don't like it, then I must point to you that you're ignoring my argument. In order to offer a reason to doubt ourselves or our own reasoning, we ought to be offered some substantial criticism or objective reason to believe that what we are saying is wrong, etc.

What do you think...?
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No, I'm saying that he is being criticized for coming off as arrogant and sure of himself when 'the other side' is just as arrogant and sure of themselves. It has nothing to do with who is right or wrong. If anything, I don't think anyone is even arguing about anything any more. It's just some kind of silly scientism vs. the mystics feud.

Look at my post at #114 and drewmandan's reply at #116 and you'll see what I mean. Granted he is low hanging fruit, but the point stands. We are saying the same thing, and he still manages to come off like a spazhole and make an argument out if. Of course it was a bit of a dick move on my part because I knew someone would take the bait...

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Originally Posted by O'nus

If you like to discuss in circles and live in a paradox, then by all means embrace the pointlessness of Cartesian circles.

Here is how discussions should always go then: we cannot know anything, so don't try and claim to know anything.

What is the point then in having any discussion about anything ever under this pretense? Furthermore, what is the point then in even living if you doubt the significance of everything including your very own existance?

What do you think...?
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Fuck the point. Expression is expression.
It is all there is.

All that is not, is not.

I don't assume I will ever not 'exist'. I am now. Now is now.

So why this and that, you ask with your questions.
Who said anything about why?

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Originally Posted by O'nus

If you like to discuss in circles and live in a paradox, then by all means embrace the pointlessness of Cartesian circles.

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And if... And if...

See?

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Here is how discussions should always go then: we cannot know anything, so don't try and claim to know anything.

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Where's the discussion? This example is merely a topic.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

What is the point then in having any discussion about anything ever under this pretense? Furthermore, what is the point then in even living if you doubt the significance of everything including your very own existance?

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I think these are exaggerations. The topic is about awakening/recognition, not ignorance. If we mention the relevance of illusions it does not mean illusions were not really mentioned. There is no use mixing contexts - this always brings confusion.

So I can help you with your questions more, please quote exactly the main part of this thread which you don't understand. Though I'm a little worried it won't lead anywhere apparently helpful.

Reposting this little gem...

ENJOY!

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Originally Posted by Cyclic13

Reposting this little gem...

ENJOY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aBGeoLf5X8

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Perfect... :shock: It even illustrates karma...

The beauty of all that is - is staggering isn't it?

At one level, anyway. :D

Edit: Another. Check out the related video list!



The Omniscient, Omnipresent, Onmipotent and Infinite Reality. Commonly named "God". :D

Knowledge is a prison people put themselves in, each day they make the universe inside their minds more and more complicated by tying on more informationt they decided to believe.

Believe in nothing except for the possibility of anything. If nothing existed, there'd be nothing to talk about, but it's opposite. Everything exists, every abstract thought in your brain.

You can say it doesn't exist in something like "reality" but honestly no one can say jack shit about reality because reality is the great unjudgable present moment. Reality has no qualifying factors to it. Reality is what we sense, see and hear, it's not the conclusions we come to from it. Once your brain reaches a conclusion about the world you're viewing, it stops being reality and you step back into your private universe. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, we need knowledge, I'm just saying don't let it imprison reality. Once you start saying this is one way and that's another way in reality, you're puttng limitations on yourself and your world for no other reason than to weigh yourself down.

The fool is limitless.

Exactly.

As I like to say...

"The subject is the object of it's own subjection. The object is the subject of it's own objection"

Rock on you crazy Bodhisatta!

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Don't speel that pretentiousness around like that. You know you began the whole posts of yours with your "divine" words under the pretense that we are all "wasting our time" speaking like "dancing marionettes".

Your arrogance and then denial of your pretentiousness is what I find amusing, personally. You start of your posts noting out the futility of analytical games, but if you truly held this to be your personal belief, you would not have spoken to began with let alone make an effort to constantly show how pointless or futile it is.

Perhaps you should consider that many of us already believe how pointless it is to define the world and understand it, but in discussing matters of the world, we can still learn about ourselves, others, and, simultanteously, develop new interestes and attributes for ourselves.

Believe me, I believe life is pointless and I make a continuing effort to show how death is so envigorating. However, I am still passionate in my discussions as it helps grow others as much as grow yourself.

I hope you can find the futility in your path and eventually grow from that.

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Nice rational and well-argued post. But he isn't going to listen. Maybe in a few years.

O'nus and others realize that physical reality is an illusion perceived but mind, yet they get their panties in a twist when they are reminded of it. Their panties get further twisted when insights are offered as to the nature of the mind/illusion phenomenon. They are like little children that study a puppet show willingly ignorant of the strings and unconcerned with where they might lead. They stamp there feet and throw a tantrum when someone tries to point out the strings, because the acknowledgment of them will wreck their preferred world-view, the self deluded belief that the puppets are themselves running the show.

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Originally Posted by The Enterer

O'nus and others realize that physical reality is an illusion perceived but mind, yet they get their panties in a twist when they are reminded of it. Their panties get further twisted when insights are offered as to the nature of the mind/illusion phenomenon. They are like little children that study a puppet show willingly ignorant of the strings and unconcerned with where they might lead. They stamp there feet and throw a tantrum when someone tries to point out the strings, because the acknowledgment of them will wreck their preferred world-view, the self deluded belief that the puppets are themselves running the show.

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How does any of this at all apply to O'nus. Stop acting like a 15 year old.

It applies directly. The question is will it stick? The prognosis is not good.

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Originally Posted by The Enterer

It applies directly. The question is will it stick? The prognosis is not good.

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Funny form of symmetry there, between what we keep telling you, and what you silly wankers keep saying to us. A symmetry, at first sight. The balance tips over heavily because our 'side' comes with evidence. And with a giant scientific community that can can greatly agree about what is certain, greatly agree about what is almost certain, and greatly agree on what might still go either way.

'Your side', the side of the new-age wackjobs however, is so filled with different beliefs and blind assumptions it makes the thousands of denominations of Christianity look like a credible whole, somehow.

Anyhow, back to your alchemy and your non-heliocentric world view, or whatever kind of non-scientific nonsense you believe, mr ass-Enterer.

By all means study the fuck out of the illusion. Study every little last nut and bolt of the illusion. I love the illusion. Rock on with your scientific self.

Just remember it's an illusion. That's all. That isn't telling you anything you don't know. It's just a reminder.

And don't get pissed with those of us have have chosen to turn our efforts in the opposite direction, towards the reality behind the illusion.

There is no need for your anger.

The grand illusion...

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Originally Posted by The Enterer

O'nus and others realize that physical reality is an illusion perceived but mind, yet they get their panties in a twist when they are reminded of it. Their panties get further twisted when insights are offered as to the nature of the mind/illusion phenomenon. They are like little children that study a puppet show willingly ignorant of the strings and unconcerned with where they might lead. They stamp there feet and throw a tantrum when someone tries to point out the strings, because the acknowledgment of them will wreck their preferred world-view, the self deluded belief that the puppets are themselves running the show.

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:) Damn straight.


Take another look guys. Take a major paradigm shift. Into the infinite. :D

Reality is infinitely self-revealing, self-evident and self-effulgent, when you remove all those sticky obstacles.

Life is like one of those riddles, where the great majority of us cannot understand or solve the riddle with the nature of our egos. There is however, a way around this, to listen carefully reveals the enormous simplicity of what is.

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Originally Posted by The Enterer

Just remember it's an illusion. That's all. That isn't telling you anything you don't know. It's just a reminder.

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How do you know?

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Originally Posted by The Enterer

the reality behind the illusion.

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How do you know?

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Originally Posted by really

Reality is infinitely self-revealing, self-evident and self-effulgent, when you remove all those sticky obstacles.

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How do you know?

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Originally Posted by really

Life is like one of those riddles, where the great majority of us cannot understand or solve the riddle with the nature of our egos.

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How do you know?

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Originally Posted by Omicron

How do you know?




How do you know?



How do you know?



How do you know?

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Through knowing how we do not know.

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Through knowing how we do not know.

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This does not work as a reason.

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Originally Posted by Omicron

This does not work as a reason.

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It does, you're just under the illusion it doesn't. :roll:

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Originally Posted by Omicron

This does not work as a reason.

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To find reality, dismiss illusion.

Eventually, therein we discover a brilliant consistency.