Thread: Synchromysticism

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

How do the cycles of death and rebirth imply that everything is connected to the point where at least sometimes there is a conversation between yourself and your experiences? Or, as you put it, how does it imply a connectedness, and how does this connectedness imply existence is conscious and can send messages?



I suppose this vaguely answers the question, but I'd still like you to explain how cycles imply a conscious universe, and how this consciousness is then able to act upon our lives to create specific experiences for us.

I was more or less explaining by using the cycles that are prevalent throughout our universe as evidence. There are tons of these cycles and it seems like too much of a coincidence. There is no way to fully prove this connectedness until you feel it yourself. It may have been those Magic Mushrooms or that Tab of Acid or... 3 that I took. But It reawakened how I felt when I was a child. I remember always knowing things I shouldn't have.


This may just be one of those crazy fucked up moments but one time I was Rolling face.(Ecstasy) And I was driving up this mountain smoking an el listen to this trance song known as Aurora - The Day It Rained Forever. It has upbeat tones and downbeat tones, I live in beautiful New England so we have plenty of trees. The song synced up with the ride I was on, every time a low beat was playing the Sun would be blocked by trees, as soon as a high beat came on bang their was the Sun shining through. I know some will put this experience into the I was hallucinating category but I understand certain substances abilities to have amazing experiences.

It's impossible to provide you with evidence but I know either way we all came from one place and we all shall return to that one place.

The evidence you must witness yourself in your daily lives, I have days where things work out to weird to not think of this universe as all knowing.

It's just like Karma you can believe it or not but it still always comes back to kick your ass

Definitely. Those moments are really too numerous to mention them all. I listen to all kinds of different mix cd's on the train that end up always having breakdowns right when the train stops and start to build the beat back up as the train starts again. As I walk up the stairs it goes in sync, and stick the ticket in the machine a perfectly timed build up and cymbal crash, etc

Recently, a really odd one that had my friend and I smiling was when I was driving in my friends car in the city and listening to a song, Miro - 'By your side', and the song's lyrics went...

Let your spirit shine... on... let the feeling flow...
Make your senses come... alive... then the feelings show...

Some can make you feel divine... open up your mind...
Stay with me forever... I will always be... with you...

I'm right by your side

I'm right by your side...
I'm trying to reach you...
open up your eyes...

And, as the song said, 'I'm right by your side', I look up and to the right as I come to a random stop light and see this billboard which says, 'By your side' in english, (mind you I'm in japan) so that's kind of rare to say the least.

Call it what you will... I call those reality burps...

Another big one was, I was watching a random horror movie called 'Shutter' given to me by a friend on my laptop in my friends car and you could say there was something quite strange that stood out me... Not only were main characters in Japan for their honey moon just take a look at the car they were driving...

This is the car I was in while watching the movie 'Shutter' in Japan as the premise of the movie kicks off...


This is the car that was in the movie 'Shutter' while they were in Japan as the premise of the movie kicks off...

So what significance did the car have in your life?

And yeah, something only exists as it is perceived, I get that, how does it designate universal consciousness?

I have taken mushrooms, acid and salvia before, I've hit "universal consciousness" but I'm back here now, where everything seems ordinary. Today I woke up and checked my cell and it was 11:11, I then went back to sleep and had a really dramatic dream where I had to choose between abandoning my family to some prison dimension and running away or risk giving up this last sacred object and therefore lots of power to this evil asshole who was conquering the world. I remember seeing my family getting teleported, and feeling so powerless to stop it because I had a responsibility now, I possessed the only thing standing in that guys way of total domination and I had to run, but if I ran I'd just be sitting back and letting him dominate anyway. Kind of a strange dream.

I am glad you are in Japan.

Eat a lot of Fugu fish there please.

I love this thread. And I love looking at it from the "old" me and the "new" me perspectives.

The "old" me, or the one before I dropped acid for the first time, would look at this thread and think: "What a bunch of drug-fucked lunatics".

The "new" me looks at this thread and thinks: "What a "coiencidence" that other people have experienced exactly the same things as me, and are able to articulate them so well."
I can definately understand why people DON'T understand this thread, and it's..."point". But boy do you not know what you are missing out on .

Originally Posted by DeathCell

It's impossible to provide you with evidence but I know either way we all came from one place and we all shall return to that one place.

That we will. There isn't anyway to convince a person who hasn't experienced it themself, but that is part of the beauty of it all.
And I know that I, too, now would look at this post as the "old" me and think: "That guy has taken too many drugs", and that is a pity. The fact that I thought I had it ALL figured out is the biggest joke of 'em all.


Cylic, your "reality burps", I have them, ALL the time.
One of my more beautiful ones was:

I was walking down a street near my school, thinking about this, actually. I was thinking about the fact that EVERYTHING is going to come back to a single point, or a single place, or whatever the hell it is.
I suddenly started getting those "vibes" that you get when you realise something is...a little bit...erm, "wrong"? I don't know how to describe them, but the feeling you get when you realise that everything around you is a little bit phoney and hilarious.
I looked to my right, and there was a sign saying "Keep right."
I looked to my left, there was a sign saying "Keep left."
The "keep left" sign made the traffic move in such a way that in joined onto the "keep right" traffic.
I looked forward, and the time hit 2:00PM, and suddenly the sun rose over a sign infront of me, I couldnt see what it was at first, but as I got closer, it said: "One way."

To top it all off, as I walked closer to the sign I was like: "OMG, what a beautiful...'trip', but that is probably just remenants of acid fucking around with your head", I looked underneat the sign, and there was a chocolate bar wrapper, one of the new mars bars, that was emblazoned: "Believe".

I was like....

All timed, might I add, to "Bittersweet symphony" by the verve.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Understanding comes in plateaus, first you must realize you're a fool. Some people decide, "well, were all fools!" and then go around telling everybody else that they don't know as much because they still think they know things. This is not realizing you're a fool.

You guys are seriously missing the point if you think I am completely ignorant to what is being talked about.

My main concern from the beginning is when people get caught on a Cartesian doubt circle and think they're the most intelligent person in the world. "Nothing is for certain" and then creating the mind body dualism and then being the most pretentious person possible by pontificating the philosophy like it can end the worlds problems and enlighten every single individual.

Believe it or not, there are many people who already know and understand what you are talking about and have considered it to be an analytical ad infinitum and sophomoric. There is little substantial value in it when everything can be deduced to uncertainty.

That is all.
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Originally Posted by O'nus

You guys are seriously missing the point if you think I am completely ignorant to what is being talked about.

My main concern from the beginning is when people get caught on a Cartesian doubt circle and think they're the most intelligent person in the world. "Nothing is for certain" and then creating the mind body dualism and then being the most pretentious person possible by pontificating the philosophy like it can end the worlds problems and enlighten every single individual.

Believe it or not, there are many people who already know and understand what you are talking about and have considered it to be an analytical ad infinitum and sophomoric. There is little substantial value in it when everything can be deduced to uncertainty.

That is all.
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When in motion, in conscious, is there , or can there even be a single point where, or from where one can say "this is it"......"this is THE answer?

there are many people who already know and understand what you are talking about and have considered it to be an analytical ad infinitum and sophomoric

Source?

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

When in motion, in conscious, is there , or can there even be a single point where, or from where one can say "this is it"......"this is THE answer?

Well no, I am just making a point to say watch for pretention and that the cartesin dualism is ad inifinitum. It has no practical value and is just as good as saying nothing when everything is uncertain.

Originally Posted by Ominus Deus

Source?

Source..? For what? For its ad ininitum qualities?

It's abundantly obvious, here let me demonstrate:
- Everything is uncertain
- The only thing certain is your mind
- Mind body dualism is thus created
- Thus, the only thing that can be certain is a subjective consciousness

From this, there is no practical use or application to life at all other than an objective state of relative mind. More importantly, having an arrogant sense of self seems to be consistent when you are able to "practice" this dualism onto others. It just comes off pretentious when people say anecdotal arguments derived from Cartesian dualistic philosophy.

For example:
Person A (A)
Cartesian Dualistic Philosopher (CDP)
A: I like candy.
CDP: That candy may not really exist and it's taste is really just in your mind.
A: That's nice. I still like it.
CDP: But it may not exist.
A: Okay.. Whatever it is, I can still say that I like it.
CDP: You're a fool for believing it is something external of your phenomenological consciousness.
A: The point is, whatever it is, on whatever existance, I like it.
I'm not sure how to put this any more simply.

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I thought you meant that there were some well know critiques of synchronistic perception, not that you personally can critique a strawman of synchronistic perception.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

I thought you meant that there were some well know critiques of synchronistic perception, not that you personally can critique a strawman of synchronistic perception.

I could probably pull out some primary references about Cartesian dualism, like many of the modern philosophers, but I do not feel it necessary.

If you feel it is a strawman representation, then please demonstrate to me how it ought to be framed.

Furthermore, I am speaking of the Cartesian dualism, I do not see how it is connected to synchromysticism.

You might say "Whoa, off topic there O'nus" but the truth is that I was complaining about this from the beginning and in more than one thread.

As far as synchromysticism, all I have to say is that it is a pseudo-science that functions on hindsight bias and self-fulfilling prophecy. Even the man who originated synchornism (Carl Jung) said himself that it is not a fully explored topic and that he leaves it for future generations to explore (said in "Man and His Symbols").

As a rebuttle, I would like to ask for any scientific journals on the topic of synchromysticism but I think we already know that is has no scientific basis whatsoever... thus making is a pseudo-science.

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Simply understand that the ego goes around in circles of relativity and uncertainty (since it identifies with illusions) and enlightenment is the escape from falsity to universal truth.

I say the strawman you are drawing is because some people have come to use cartesian ideas so you take down descartes arguments rather than theirs. I'm not a dualist, nor am I otherwise. I don't think it's possible to conclude on the subject one way or the other.

Either way you'll drive yourself crazy.

Originally Posted by really

Simply understand that the ego goes around in circles of relativity and uncertainty (since it identifies with illusions) and enlightenment is the escape from falsity to universal truth.

I thought we passed the whole "universal truth" thing already. If you're going to bring something up like that, elaborate. What is the universal truth then? Synchromysticism..? Solipisism? Subjectivity as an absolute? Cartesian circle..?

It's becoming way too typical for you guys to keep trying to reach beyond your context by making vague references like that and that's what I am complaining about. You're not elaborating and you keep trying to end your post on some proverbial anecdote that ostensibly holds some profound value, but then we all agree that what you are talking about can only make sense to yourself. So... why do you keep doing it..?

Originally Posted by Ominus Deus

I say the strawman you are drawing is because some people have come to use cartesian ideas so you take down descartes arguments rather than theirs. I'm not a dualist, nor am I otherwise. I don't think it's possible to conclude on the subject one way or the other.
Either way you'll drive yourself crazy.

I use Descartes argument because, to me, it is a more organized arugment of what they are describing. Since most people are only offering anecdotes and proverbial sentences, there is little substance for anyone else to work on but themselves (which is, ironically, the real point at hand.. but I get the impression they don't realize I realize this). So.. I'm not sure what else to work from.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

I thought we passed the whole "universal truth" thing already. If you're going to bring something up like that, elaborate. What is the universal truth then? Synchromysticism..? Solipisism? Subjectivity as an absolute? Cartesian circle..?

The universal truth is beyond understanding and language, but essentially it is the comprehension of true reality by surrendering to higher power (Source of Reality). This means, true knowledge is revealed, and because it is true knowledge, there is great happiness, and the profound awareness of having returned home.

You could say it is the substrate/source of subjectivity, which underlies all conscious experience. It is universal because of this, and by virtue of its own existence. It is this universal quality which dissolves all illusions of relativity and conditions, hence infinite awareness.

Originally Posted by O'nus

Well no, I am just making a point to say watch for pretention and that the cartesin dualism is ad inifinitum. It has no practical value and is just as good as saying nothing when everything is uncertain.



Source..? For what? For its ad ininitum qualities?

It's abundantly obvious, here let me demonstrate:
- Everything is uncertain
- The only thing certain is your mind
- Mind body dualism is thus created
- Thus, the only thing that can be certain is a subjective consciousness

From this, there is no practical use or application to life at all other than an objective state of relative mind. More importantly, having an arrogant sense of self seems to be consistent when you are able to "practice" this dualism onto others. It just comes off pretentious when people say anecdotal arguments derived from Cartesian dualistic philosophy.

For example:
Person A (A)
Cartesian Dualistic Philosopher (CDP)
A: I like candy.
CDP: That candy may not really exist and it's taste is really just in your mind.
A: That's nice. I still like it.
CDP: But it may not exist.
A: Okay.. Whatever it is, I can still say that I like it.
CDP: You're a fool for believing it is something external of your phenomenological consciousness.
A: The point is, whatever it is, on whatever existance, I like it.
I'm not sure how to put this any more simply.

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A question for you.


How are you certain when you just said everything is uncertain?

I gotcha their








Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather.

Originally Posted by O'nus

Well no, I am just making a point to say watch for pretention and that the cartesin dualism is ad inifinitum. It has no practical value and is just as good as saying nothing when everything is uncertain.


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At the risk of being lost in this sea of words and terms, I see that there is indeed a certainty in life as we see it and live it, and live in it.

However I also see that that certainty is something that is in another aspect "uncertain". Something that itself can be transcended by any given individual.

The whole "picture" is not something that is assembled by any one given individual. Anyone who says everything is just a creation of "their" own mind is not seeing the whole picture in the reality of its true scope. They are still stuck in their narrow isolated point of view. A basis of "concieted arrogance".

A pitfall of sorts.

This quote fits perfectly for you.
"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

The future decays with the present, mister.

Mister.

Originally Posted by really

The universal truth is beyond understanding and language, but essentially it is the comprehension of true reality by surrendering to higher power

This here encapsulates the problem - you also cannot comprehend or understand what you are even talking about, let alone prove it or anything close to that. So you can't argue for it or try to prove its existance because you cannot. If you cannot argue or prove its existance, then stop trying to deter others opinions and growth with your "surrender to higher power".

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How are you certain when you just said everything is uncertain?

I gotcha their

Actually you can prove uncertainty in mathematics. Basically, look up Godels incompleteness theorem.

Everything is always more than what you imagine it to be. To go suuuuuper simple, a chair may be a chair, and you can call it a chair, but it will always be so much more than chair. Chair is just a word and if you see it and write it off with "chair" then you are underrating it. It may also be a chair but it is never, ever only a chair. People nullify things by defining them, but these definitions only exist in their heads. Likewise, the chair only exists in their head, in reality the object is much more than that.

It is a moment of conscious experience. I am not trying to say what the universe is, whether it's purely subjective or objective, but what experience is which is arguably... all the universe is to begin with.

Whether a chair actually ceases to exist when you leave the room is irrelevant. Relevance comes at the choice whether you see the moment or see the way your mind spins the moment. You have the collection of concepts and ideas you've collected in your life to form the universe, but you also have the universe itself, which you constantly experience in the present.

I'm not trying to argue what version of the universe is correct, like I said you'll drive yourself crazy thinking one way or the other. I'm arguing about liberating your mind so you can see things and hear them instead of putting signs under them that fit into the concepts you've already laid out. Honestly, this goes closer to an objective universe only I'm turning the hose on you this time because it's humanity's great pitfall. Reality is always more than the labels you give it or the ways you rationalize it. Reality on its own cannot be rationalized, argued or proved. It can't be named, judged or repeated. It is non-dualism at it's finest.

This is a change every human being has to make, none of us are any different in that respect. When you actually experience what I'm talking about, you'll see you give up nothing you ever actually had in the first place, and gain so much more.

And I won't pretend I'm special, I have trouble letting go of my judgments. I used to experience that state, mindfulness, whenever i wanted to, with ease. I don't know what happened to it, really, I forget how to do it.

Reality on its own cannot be rationalized, argued or proved. It can't be named, judged or repeated. It is non-dualism at it's finest.

Thats the problem.

You're saying reality can't be rationalized, however you're rationalizing it. See it basically saying you can't label something, but then you're labeling it. You're judging reality to be not judgable.

The point is, you're trying to reason that reality is more then reason. Can't you see the problem with this?

Perhaps that's where the snag is in my ability to be in the moment.

But to be fair I don't think one rationlity is better than another. I'm not going to say therefore no rationalities exist, just that we reason with our brains, therefore on some level we see the world our brains give us, and not the one that exists in reality.

Rationalities are real (if you need things to be real and fake), my argument is just that they are not the alpha-omega of any particular experience, and ultimately you should take them with a grain of sand.