No traces of mass graves at treblinka? Can someone explain this to me?

**Xaqaria** · 04-03-2008 02:23 AM

Wikipedia seems to think Richard Krege is lying, but they don't list their sources and unfortunately, a google search brings up reams of anti-semitic websites whose only sources are Krege himself and Australian newspapers who most likely got their information directly from Krege as well.

Barring some more compelling evidence, I would say that there is a good chance that his data is biased, as he is himself a holocaust revisionist, and the only people who seem to back his claim are anti-semites.

There are plenty of people in the world who claim the holocaust is a hoax, but it would not take much to expose such an all encompassing conspiracy. Millions and millions of people would have to be lying, and its damn near impossible to make sure that none of them spills the beans. Even if you are a jew hater (and this isn't directed at you personally), you have to admit that at least one of the millions is going to feel bad about lying and come forward.

Just watched the video, and it shows obvious signs of contradiction and bias. One site claimed that the equipment could detect 5 meters deep and sometimes up to 10 meters. The video, however, claimed that the equipment could detect an object as small as a knife as deep as 30 meters.

edit; and what I've read about GPR, it seems like 15 meters is a max under ideal conditions; something they probably didn't have. The 5 to 10 meters is probably a lot more accurate and I have to say, if I planned on burrying 800,000+ bodies, I'd dig deeper than 10 meters.

**dragonoverlord** · 04-03-2008 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Wikipedia seems to think Richard Krege is lying, but they don't list their sources and unfortunately, a google search brings up reams of anti-semitic websites whose only sources are Krege himself and Australian newspapers who most likely got their information directly from Krege as well.

Barring some more compelling evidence, I would say that there is a good chance that his data is biased, as he is himself a holocaust revisionist, and the only people who seem to back his claim are anti-semites.

There are plenty of people in the world who claim the holocaust is a hoax, but it would not take much to expose such an all encompassing conspiracy. Millions and millions of people would have to be lying, and its damn near impossible to make sure that none of them spills the beans. Even if you are a jew hater (and this isn't directed at you personally), you have to admit that at least one of the millions is going to feel bad about lying and come forward.

Just watched the video, and it shows obvious signs of contradiction and bias. One site claimed that the equipment could detect 5 meters deep and sometimes up to 10 meters. The video, however, claimed that the equipment could detect an object as small as a knife as deep as 30 meters.

Thanks for the great post!.

I can't beleive i never bothered to check wikepedia!

There are so many flaws in his testing according to wikepedia and its likely he never was at the former concentration camp to begin with.

**intermat** · 04-08-2008 02:15 AM

dragonoverlord - post one:

I found a youtube video and a website that says there are not traces of mass graves at Treblinka.

dragonoverlord - post two:

There are so many flaws in his testing according to wikepedia and its likely he never was at the former concentration camp to begin with.

Let's see, you found a video that proves Krege doing GPR testing at Treblinka, then later you say "its likely he never was at the former concentration camp to begin with" ??? And how can there be flaws in his testing if he wasn't at the camp doing some kind of testing? You make no sense. And if there really are so many flaws in his testing, then why haven't the jews themselves done their own GPR testing at Treblinka? What are they afraid of?

Xaqaria:

Barring some more compelling evidence, I would say that there is a good chance that his data is biased

You're turning this issue on its head. Please note this ommision by overlord (the quote of Yitzak Arad)

“This is the biggest cemetery of Polish Jewry… There are 870,000 Jews buried in the enormous ditches… Within this area initially, the Jews were buried in enormous pits… Later on, a sort of grill from railroad tracks was built. The corpses were removed and this area served for burning the corpses… Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka - all three of them were utterly eradicated… Both Treblinka and the other camps, once they had fulfilled their task of extermination, were obliterated… Nothing remains - nothing.”

It is the jews who claim that not only were 870,000 jews murdered at Treblinka, but they now claim that the Germans commited the perfect crime. As the nafcash site says:

According to the orthodox version of the holocaust, at Treblinka the Germans murdered and buried, then dug up, burned and crushed the bones, and then - REBURIED all the crushed bone and ash of 870,000 Jews INTO THE SAME MASS GRAVES; thus, they allegedly -“obliterated all evidence of their crime.”If you’re unfamiliar with the controversies surrounding this “judicially proven fact,” then it’s imperative that before you begin reading this site, you understand the forensic argumentation presented in this link HERE:

Nothing remains? Who in their right mind could believe that a perfect crime could be committed while murdering 870,000 people? Everyone knows that at every crime scene -EVIDENCE IS LEFT BEHIND: “Cremated remains weigh between three and nine pounds.” In order to believe the orthodox Treblinka holocaust legend, you must believe this: The Germans, by putting a layer of soil over millions of pounds of crushed bone and ash, tens of millions of teeth and tens of thousands of bullets and shell casings somehow, magically - “utterly eradicated” all evidence of their crime!

Utterly eradicated? How about utter nonsense? Why would the Germans go through all that work, knowing full well there would still be millions of pounds of evidence left behind, then put all that incriminating evidence right back into the very graves that they allegedly had just dug all that evidence out of? It’s understandable when a toddler believes that he’s made himself invisible while playing peek-a-boo by covering his eyes, but how do you explain the insanity of the holocaust “scholars” who believe that a layer of soil can make millions of pounds of evidence magically disappear?

The issue is this:

No matter what anyone thinks about the holocaust per se, one thing is eminently clear - the Treblinka holocaust didn’t happen. To believe that the Germans could “obliterate” all evidence of the murder of 870,000 Jews requires incredible gullibility and a lack of intelligence, logic and critical thinking skills. It requires a belief in magic and a rejection of criminology, archeology and forensic science. IF there was a Treblinka holocaust, then there are huge mass graves filled with millions of pounds of crushed bone to prove it. Until the alleged huge mass graves of Treblinka are found - NO mass graves = NO crushed bone = NO burning of bodies = NO homicidal gas chambers = NO mass murder = NO extermination camp = NO Treblinka holocaust = THE TRUTH – TREBLINKA II WAS A TRANSIT CAMP, and the so called gas chambers were, in reality, delousing facilities designed to protect the health and prolong the lives of the shameless liars who fraudulently claimed to be the victims of a genocidal extermination program. It takes a special kind of credulous dullard to believe the preposterous Treblinka holohoax tale and a special kind of self-deceiving coward to deny the significance of this fraud. Remember, there are only two options: extermination center (for those who believe in magic) and TRANSIT CAMP (for those who believe in the scientific method). There is no third option - and only one truth.

Lest you think there must be some truth to the alleged Treblinka holocaust NAFCASH TM is offering a $75,000.00 REWARD for locating JUST ONE of the alleged “HUGE MASS GRAVES” of Treblinka. NAFCASH TM presents

THE FINAL SOLUTION FORENSIC CHALLENGE TM

You must scientifically - forensically prove the grave’s EXACT location, its EXACT dimensions and its EXACT volumetric density. The cremated remains must total at least one percent of the alleged mass murder.

JUST ONE MASS GRAVE! - JUST ONE PERCENT!

and

Lest you think there must be some truth to the asinine pure extermination center canard (that’s the psychology of the big-lie technique at work) THE FINAL SOLUTION FORENSIC CHALLENGE TM also includes the alleged holocausts at Belzec, Chelmno and Sobibor.

You must scientifically - forensically prove the grave’s EXACT location, its EXACT dimensions and its EXACT volumetric density. The cremated remains must total at least one percent of the alleged mass murder.

JUST ONE CAMP! - JUST ONE MASS GRAVE! - JUST ONE PERCENT!

**dragonoverlord** · 04-08-2008 04:13 AM

Dude in Xaqarias post it clearly states that the research of the guy who i posted is extremely shady and extremely unreliable look him up on Wikepedia to know what im talking about.

If when i was making this thread i knew the guys research was extremely unreliable and shady then i woulda never posted.

Look up the guy Xaqaria mentions in his post on wikepedia and you'll see.

:Edit: Here read this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Krege

**hollingsworth** · 04-18-2008 03:50 AM

If holocaustians want to bring closure to this treblinka issue, why don't they send a team of experts into the camp? Why don't they follow up Krege's investigation in 1999 with one of their own? The remains of 870 thousand victims should not be that hard to detect.

**Trojan** · 05-31-2008 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by hollingsworth

If holocaustians want to bring closure to this treblinka issue, why don't they send a team of experts into the camp? Why don't they follow up Krege's investigation in 1999 with one of their own? The remains of 870 thousand victims should not be that hard to detect.

How and why would anyone go to the trouble to debunk a investigation that has NEVER been publishes?

BTW - Nafcash does not have any money. Its a not for profit corporation that has no assets and the registered agent is some smucks apartment in a small town. Dude can't even afford a house and he claims to have $$ for the reward.