Al Gore criticizes Bush for ignoring Iraq's ties to terrorism.

[Universal Mind]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9JE48XHKG64

[Cyclic13]

Double talking flip-flopping politicians. Hmm... what else is new? I'm so apathetic and tired of politics. It's just lies on top of lies masked by more lies with a fake smile on top. They must enjoy how they constantly contradict themselves and trip over their own words and peddle it as truth to further their own power-hungry agendas.

[ninja9578]

Huh? no one said that Iraq didn't have ties to terrorist. Iraq didn't have ties to 911, big difference, almost all middle eastern countries have ties to terrorists, most just terrorize each other. The democrats only wanted to fight the ones that were attacking us, of which Iraq had none.

[Universal Mind]

Huh? no one said that Iraq didn't have ties to terrorist. Iraq didn't have ties to 911, big difference, almost all middle eastern countries have ties to terrorists, most just terrorize each other. The democrats only wanted to fight the ones that were attacking us, of which Iraq had none. Did you hear Gore's talk about Iraqi WMD's? Lots of people say the Hussein regime had no ties to terrorism, and a lot of people have said it here. Gore went off about Bush 43 a few years ago, saying Bush lied about Iraqi WMD's and "... betrayed this country!"

[ninja9578]

Bush did lie about the WMDs, he said that they were there, international intelligence said that they weren't. If Gore was saying that there were WMDs in Iraq, it's an understandable mistake. Remember, he's not a senator and doesn't have access to certain intelligence (Bush withheld some of it from the senate anyway) and when he was in office Iraq did have WMDs. They only finished dismantling their WMDs in 1998 I've heard people say that Iraq didn't have ties with terrorist, but I'm sure that they meant anti-american terrorists. Most of the terrorists in the middle east are anti-shiit or anti-*crap, what's the other big sect of islam?* or anti-Semitic.

[ninja9578]

Technically speaking, The United States has ties to terrorists too. During the Cold War the US equipped and trained the Taliban to keep the Soviets out of Afghanistan. They were using the Reagan logic of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"

[Universal Mind]

Bush did lie about the WMDs, he said that they were there, international intelligence said that they weren't. A lot of international intelligence said they were, and Hussein's behavior did make it seem they were there. Al Gore agreed when he thought it would help him politically. If Gore was saying that there were WMDs in Iraq, it's an understandable mistake. Remember, he's not a senator and doesn't have access to certain intelligence (Bush withheld some of it from the senate anyway) and when he was in office Iraq did have WMDs. They only finished dismantling their WMDs in 1998 Same comment as above. I've heard people say that Iraq didn't have ties with terrorist, but I'm sure that they meant anti-american terrorists. Most of the terrorists in the middle east are anti-shiit or anti-*crap, what's the other big sect of islam?* or anti-Semitic. Hamas and Hezbollah are much more concerned with Israel, but they are also anti-American suicide bomber terrorist organizations. We are Israel's biggest ally, so of course they hate our guts.

[ninja9578]

A lot of international intelligence said they were, and Hussein's behavior did make it seem they were there. Al Gore agreed when he thought it would help him politically. Nothing from the UN did. It was fun to watch Bush squirm as he addressed the UN though. He had scripted applause breaks because his writers assumed that he'd get the same response from his yes-men congress and got nothing *Goes to find clip* When was this? Al Gore has been out of politics since 2001. Recently he's been touring promoting awareness of climate change. Hamas and Hezbollah are much more concerned with Israel, but they are also anti-American suicide bomber terrorist organizations. We are Israel's biggest ally, so of course they hate our guts. Hmm, seems like a good idea to not terrorize the middle east with invasions then.

[Universal Mind]

Nothing from the UN did. It was fun to watch Bush squirm as he addressed the UN though. He had scripted applause breaks because his writers assumed that he'd get the same response from his yes-men congress and got nothing *Goes to find clip* That is not true. There were U.N. officials who said Hussein had WMD's. When was this? Al Gore has been out of politics since 2001. Recently he's been touring promoting awareness of climate change. 1992. Yes, Al Gore is in the business of being full of shit. Hmm, seems like a good idea to not terrorize the middle east with invasions then. It seems like a good idea to civilize the Middle East.

[ninja9578]

That is not true. There were U.N. officials who said Hussein had WMD's. There lots of people that said that, but all of the official reports said that their weren't. Including the american 911 report. 1992. Yes, Al Gore is in the business of being full of shit. In 1992 there actually were WMDs in Iraq, he was correct. They didn't finish dismantling the WMDs until 1998, that's 6 years later. I don't follow your logic. It seems like a good idea to civilize the Middle East. And you think creating war is the best way to do that? As long as religion is the primary factor of policies over there it will never be restful. What needs to happen is good diplomacy to get them to be tolerant of other religions similar to how we got the south to be tolerant of blacks in during the civil rights movement.

[ChaybaChayba]

Anyone supporting the killing of other people has been brainwashed by hate and fear, and the worst thing is, this is only for the purpose of oil, selling guns, and earning money. Soldiers are nothing but the puppets of the oil and gun industries. They sell guns to both sides.

[dragonoverlord]

It seems like a good idea to civilize the Middle East. I find that very insulting. Here look how uncivilized the Dubai is Go invade some place that needs it. Africa springs to mind.

[ninja9578]

"What do you think of western civilization?" - I forget who "I think it would be a wonderful idea." - Ghandi What makes the US is civil? We still have racism, terrorists, school shootings, torturing detainees, drug lords, gangs...

[Original Poster]

I said Saddam Hussein didn't have ties to terrorism. Honestly, it depends on your definition of terrorist. Al Queda? No. Suicide bombers? No. Osama bin Laden? No. Any type of terrorist activities directly in threat of the United States? No. Terrorist connections that implied a threat to american business interests? HELL YEAH

[Half/Dreaming]

Anyone supporting the killing of other people has been brainwashed by hate and fear, and the worst thing is, this is only for the purpose of oil, selling guns, and earning money. Soldiers are nothing but the puppets of the oil and gun industries. They sell guns to both sides. Killing is a primal instinct. It is YOU who have been brainwashed/indoctrinated into believing differently. Killing has always existed. Peace has NEVER. Some of us are just controlled professionals at it. "When you're pushed, killing is as easy as breathing" -John FUCKING Rambo.

[ChaybaChayba]

What gives you the right to kill someone without a fair trail? Even during fair trails, 10% of the people who get put to death sentence are innocent. Imagine how many innocent people die in a war. It doesn't mean because it's a primal instinct you can go around killing everyone.. please. It's like claiming. Fucking is a primal instinct. So you have the right to go and rape everyone you think deserves to be raped?

[Half/Dreaming]

What gives you the right to kill someone without a fair trail? Even during fair trails, 10% of the people who get put to death sentence are innocent. Imagine how many innocent people die in a war. It doesn't mean because it's a primal instinct you can go around killing everyone.. please. It's like claiming. Fucking is a primal instinct. So you have the right to go and rape everyone you think deserves to be raped? Stop getting off topic with your antics. You said the will to kill is a learned, brainwashed behavior. I said it was natural. That's all there is to it. Am I wrong?

[ChaybaChayba]

Sure it's natural, but killing random people just for the oil and gun industries isn't. I bet while you're in Iraq you also rape the 'evil terrorist women'. Right? How can you live with yourself?

[Universal Mind]

There lots of people that said that, but all of the official reports said that their weren't. Including the american 911 report. Not true. In 1992 there actually were WMDs in Iraq, he was correct. They didn't finish dismantling the WMDs until 1998, that's 6 years later. I don't follow your logic. The WMD's Hussein had in 1992 were never all accounted for, and further reports said he had them after 1998, as late as 2003. And you think creating war is the best way to do that? As long as religion is the primary factor of policies over there it will never be restful. What needs to happen is good diplomacy to get them to be tolerant of other religions similar to how we got the south to be tolerant of blacks in during the civil rights movement. The poverty and despair so prevalent in the region create the terrorist breeding climate. We are getting capitalistic democracies going in the heart of the Middle East in order to change that terrible factor. If you think you can get those backward ass brainwashed fanatics to be more tolerant of other religions just by talking to them, please go over there and be the first. I find that very insulting. Here look how uncivilized the Dubai is I'm glad there are a few such places. As a result of our actions, there will be tons more. Aren't you glad? I said Saddam Hussein didn't have ties to terrorism. Honestly, it depends on your definition of terrorist. Al Queda? No. Suicide bombers? No. Osama bin Laden? No. Any type of terrorist activities directly in threat of the United States? No. Terrorist connections that implied a threat to american business interests? HELL YEAH Hamas and Hezbollah are suicide terrorist organizations, and Hussein provided financial incentives for Palestinian suicide bombers in Israel by offering money (ahead of time) to the families of suicide bombers. He also pulled a WMD terrorist attack on the Kurds. THAT is a terrorist. What do you think of Gore's speech?

[Original Poster]

I'll find out once I'm stoned enough to tolerate him speaking.

[Half/Dreaming]

Sure it's natural, but killing random people just for the oil and gun industries isn't. I bet while you're in Iraq you also rape the 'evil terrorist women'. Right? How can you live with yourself? Please site where I said I will rape Iraqi women. Your assumptions are outstandingly retarded. But if a woman tries to kill me in Iraq, she will die. I will live with myself by knowing that I am going home. Thats something you will never have to worry about.

[Universal Mind]

Sure it's natural, but killing random people just for the oil and gun industries isn't. I bet while you're in Iraq you also rape the 'evil terrorist women'. Right? How can you live with yourself? Seattle Troll Statue

[Half/Dreaming]

Seattle Troll Statue Ha! Is that really in Seattle? Seattle is only like 45 minutes away from me. I need to go check that out.

[Universal Mind]

Ha! Is that really in Seattle? Seattle is only like 45 minutes away from me. I need to go check that out. Yeah, it's in the Fremont district, under the Aurora Bridge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fremont_Troll

[Original Poster]

I don't agree with Gore on this. I disagree with him about 45% of the time and the other 55% of the time I fall asleep listening to him. He blathers on with useless information everyone is aware of as if he found the evidence in a sunken treasure chest. When I was like 8 or something my Dad took me to see him speak and afterwards my Dad was like, "Oh wow! Wasn't he charismatic?" And I was 8, I don't remember a word he said. Gore is not a real liberal, he's anti-american. He purposely tries to undermine people, and so in an attempt to undermine both Bush administrations, he jumps from one side of the fence to the other to take whatever position is against them. Michael Moore does it too, but Michael Moore is entertaining so I forgive him. I think of it like this: Our foreign policy since Reagan has been the same. The incentive was to stop the Soviets from taking over the world -_- and even if they were trying to do that after the Cold War the foreign policy should have changed but did not. It's a policy of essentially, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" where they support anyone strong enough to prevent a nation from going communist, or into the hands of the people. They support anyone who's willing to support our industrial control over the world. Then, with Bush in office and the USSR completely bankrupt, they used the same foreign policy but turned their eyes on the middle east. We've been supporting Butcherers for decades, and this Butcherer was supported because he prevented civil war in a country. If we should have done anything, it should have happened after the kurds were gassed anyway. Instead it was claimed in another thread that it took the combined reasons of the WMDs and his terrorist history in order to finally decide, "Let's go get Saddam." But those combined reasons were absolute nonesense that can be said about so many nations right now with a massacre in the past. Unfortunately, there is no way to distinguish Iraq as a valuable target against terrorism or for democracy and security. It is a valuable target for business interests, however.