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No, the reason no country has become communist is that the transition can't begin until imperialist powers are at bay. Unfortunately, the United States exists and would clearly take advantage of a Socialist state transitioning to communism, see that their military would be no existent. That is why a large portion of the world most transition at once. We'll see who is right in time :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming
Harry pretty much is on the same page as me with the war so Im gonna just say I agree with his rebuttle on that.
Bafoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by tkdyo
There, now you have to counter.
lol, just to make it clear, I wasnt talking about the communist part, I was talking about the post he made before that was to the chick Ive been talking to. Which you are also on the same page as us.
but in rebuttle, meany face!
/me gives bush birdie finger.
i would type more but i need to go puke.
If Obama gets elected, liberals are going to be very bored, and people like Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert will be out of work. But the hate Bush fad will finally go out of style just like new wave and parachute pants. Are you prepared?
oooooo, Universal, surreal new avatar!
It's even better for hypnotizing people into believing my posts. :bigteeth: My bosses in the CIA increased my avatar budget by a few cents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming
is it really going "out of style" or is he well... losing office?Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
also i'm not implying that you do, but don't think everyone hates bush just because everyone else hates bush.
a lot of us have our reasons. we are probably the minority but like i said, we have our reasons.
I know, and you are in the minority.Quote:
Originally Posted by lysergic
Honest dissent aside, the hate Bush cult/trend is the most disgusting and pathetic bandwagon behavior I have ever seen in my life, and it reminds me of what comes in second place. There was a guy at my school who got in bad with some of the more popular kids when he was in 7th grade. Those guys made spectacles out of how they were really mean to him. Then others joined in and started being mean as Hell to him too. Then others started saying, "Hey, it's totally cool to be mean to that kid and make his life miserable. Let's join in. Everybody else is doing it, so it's okay, and it gives us group identity." That is unfortunately very common, and it is how Nazis and slave traders get powerful. It is fine with me if people have honest disagreements with Bush, but the push to trash him just because it is fun and provides group identity is sociopathic and retarded.
Remember, Bush is a world leader, not some retarded child. Though, I see the difference as essentially minimal. He can take some people not liking him.
I understand this Bush hate cult, he has been unsuccessful in Iraq and Afghanistan, he may have failed to capture terrorists, lost America a lot of allies, overseen a time of financial disaster, curtailed Human rights, and made a few badly phrased comments.
You can't think badly about people for getting behind the idea that he may not be the best leader in the world. Even if they couldn't point to exact reasons why due to a lack of political interest.
Its important that Bush-style policies are reviled for a few decades. It'll stop people from following them. Not that it worked with Margaret Thatcher.
Oh please...Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
There is no "bandwagon." There is just a horrible president in the white house. Many of us knew it years ago. The rest are just slowly figuring it out as he makes it more and more obvious.
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Originally Posted by skysaw
Pompous comments.
Hating Bush is a safe zone. You can NEVER go wrong if you talk shit about Bush. There is also no limit to the seriousness of the shit talking. Nothing is out of line when insulting the current president. You could go on national TV and say he should be killed, and the audience would applaude you.
I have had this conversation with many other people. Due to my experience with Bush haters, I would say less than half of them actually know what they are talking about.
Sure. That's why I hate Bush... because it's "safe." :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming
It sure wasn't very safe on 9/12/01, living in a Red state, no less. Trust me, I was just as vocal then as now.
So perhaps there is some other reason people hate him. Here are a few of my reasons:
1. He's done more to harm international relations than any other American in history.
2. He's done more to infringe on Americans' privacy than anyone since Hoover.
3. He launched the most pointlessly bloody war since Viet Nam, and did it illegaly
4. That damn goofy smirk permanently plastered on his face (hardly a good reason, but at least I'm being honest about it.)
I could list dozens of more reasons (will be happy to if you so request), but those are plenty enough to get my disdain.
If it were merely that, I would not have said what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by apachama
Even if he is a horrible president, which I don't think he is, there is a certain degree of understandability in his policies. You can think they are incorrect and still not go into this maniacal group mentality hate fest that is so politically correct these days. Like I said, honestly disagreeing with him is one thing, but the level of personal hate against him and the shocking acceptability of it are way out of line, and the collective mentality behind it is a sign of something very dark in humanity.Quote:
Originally Posted by skysaw
Position 1: "I understand that Bush was given the Iraq WMD intelligence from many governments, the CIA, the Senate, and the Clinton Administration. It would be very serious if a terrorist enemy government had WMD's, considering the possibilities, as illustrated by 9/11. It would have been irresponsible of Bush not to act on the intelligence he was given in the post-9/11 era. I understand where he was coming from. However, I do not think the invasion of Iraq was warranted. After twelve years, we should have put in at least one more year of attempted diplomacy or else just taken our chances."
Position 2: "Ha ha, fuck Bush! Look at these gorillla pictures where they look like Hitler, I mean Bush. Ha ha ha! Damn Nazi. He is the real terrorist. I have seen some mere circumstantial evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that 9/11 was a government job done so Bush and Cheney could get their oil mafia rich. (This is fun! :banana:) We haven't found weapons of mass destruction that are still active, so Bush LIED!!! He made up what he said based on so many intelligence officials saying the same thing before he was even famous. Hey, let's disagree very hatefully with every single policy of his, no matter what. Let's get together and play hippy in the streets. Are you in? All of the cool people at the coffee shop are doing it, so it's okay to be as hateful as you want to be. Woo hoo!!! FUCK BUSH FUCK BUSH FUCK BUSH FUCK BUSH!!!!!!! :boogie: :banana: :laugh: :goodjob: :breakitdown: :yumdumdoodledum: :aphiusiscrazy: :muffin: :dancingcow: :woohoo:"
I have been talking about Position 2, of course. It is insincere and sociopathic.
Regarding position 2, I do not fall in this category, and I agree it is not helpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
However, since I've only seen this position played out on the internet and not among actual human beings, I didn't regard it as a trend significant enough to evoke the image of the grand bandwagon.
I do admit to having compared his face to a chimpanzee on more than one occasion, and I won't apologize for that. But it's not my fault the comparison is so easy to see.
It is all over the internet, college campuses (professors included), and a lot of the media (Keith Olbermann, Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, etc.). It might be sort of a fringe element, but it has a much stronger public presence than the more rational stances against Bush's policies.Quote:
Originally Posted by skysaw
Your post was not that bad this time your improving. Saying peace talks don't always work is only highlighting failure while going no-where special. But the truth is Discussion of policies to help eliminate war are superior and the next step towards success, and going somewhere. When you have peace talks I want to be clear to you that negotiating with terrorists is not the same as global and national peace talks. So quickly discard that idea from your mind. Unless of course your agenda lies somewhere else and the statement was a weapon against emerging logic to subdue the unveiling of illusion. In which case bring it on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harrycombs
This odd out of place totally random outcast humor about the CIA and your account as well as hypnotizing people has me a bit suspicious considering your apparent lack of interest in any co-operation with anything to do with truth, it would entirely make sense. I would say again; A weapon against emerging logic to subdue the unveiling of illusion? Simply Bring it on, the faster we shall unveil. And Maybe.....if we search your old posts for bush we will find some absurd statements supporting him that we could verify and have a good laugh about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Btw I have met Keith Olbermann and he is not fringe. He's what you call a proper journalist that actually does his own reporting for once unlike most that mindlessly read from a script given to them on a platter which they don't understand or care about.
I think you're a bit behind in the times. It's not so much a hate cult as a David Letterman joke fest with public awareness of a stupid president consensus.Quote:
Originally Posted by apachama
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Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix
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Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix
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Yes touchdown. Good boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
I hate our discussing with terrorists policies. I support the FARC, for instance, and there is little chance of the US government backing down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix
I have no idea what your talking about. Why would I want to subdue the unveiling of an illusion? And what illusion are you talking about :PQuote:
So quickly discard that idea from your mind. Unless of course your agenda lies somewhere else and the statement was a weapon against emerging logic to subdue the unveiling of illusion. In which case bring it on.
Also, what would you do about this war? Would you just pull the troops out immediately?