Thread: Bush takes another step backwards

Originally Posted by guerilla

I've been reading about a possible great depression of 2008 or 2009, I think something big is going to happen, and it scares me to death.

It shouldn't scare you. This will inevitable create a class consciousness, like those of the early 20th century. It will be the perfect time for a peoples revolution. This could be good. Sort of like how the first World War also helped trigger the Russian revolution and was partially responsible for the creation of the Soviet Union.

Its not just this election, every election since woodrow wilson has been a choice for the status quo. Bob Barr or Ron Paul are the only real choices.

Ron Paul was honest, but he would have wrecked the country as well.

Barr says we are fastly approaching the point of no return, where america is lost, for good.

America wont matter in the long run. A new, and hopefully better, country should come into existence.

Originally Posted by Harrycombs

America wont matter in the long run. A new, and hopefully better, country should come into existence.

There already is one...It's called Canada.

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

There already is one...It's called Canada.

Canada already exists. I am talking about a new country with a completely new government coming into place.

Originally Posted by Harrycombs

Canada already exists. I am talking about a new country with a completely new government coming into place.

NWO.

Originally Posted by apachama[/quote

Torture seems to have been proven unpopular and counter-productive in Iraq. As for what H/D said about not enough water being a simple thing, remember Iraq is a hot country. "Enough water" is probably quite a lot. And the conditions are difficult for soldiers.

I've no problem with soldiers. They're just following orders from the same incompetent governments as the rest of us.

I hope it doesn't surprise you that torture would be unpopular because that's obvious not only in Iraq but pretty much everywhere. No-one wants to be tortured. When you say water is tough to obtain in hot conditions and that is the reason for this aspect of torture. It reminds me of those brick headed pro war rally kind of people you might find in small groups around Texas. You know those cowboy funny looking preachers. A cheeseburger in one hand gun in the other in front of a hand made blue painted sign of some sort usually saying something like: 'I luv my Ameican presidaant and we gunna blast those terrowist where evar thay may beee. Ofcorse they got weapons of mass destruction thay got em. You got to be kidding me thay got em. I don wunt to talk to you hippay. George Bush Aint dun nothun wrong. You go over there ay Dunt wanna talk to you hippes and his frieand. It's hot in Iraq, thay gat not water. Thay gut no water for them Iraqis it's hut ovar there. Oh com on it's hut ovar there".

Scary stuff. Did you know a lot of people in America who didn't know Australia on the map supported invading Australia because some random journalist pretended it was a Muslim land with terrorist named Cuba. These people are voting in your country.

You think it is an ego boost having troops killed every day with people back home screaming they are ignorant fools?

Are they screaming that by now? Listen to them then. It's not just American troops. The human race is together not just Americans. See how your ego discounts the other causalities. It is about your ego in this case because you continue to defend something and you look so dumb trying to explain based on nothing more than your need to have a life with a conscience. You can't brush away abuse once it has happened you need to take responsibility for mistakes. It doesn't matter how much time passes the photos are a disturbing reflection. There is not guarantee it's not happening right now and worse. Nothing special has being done to combat and eliminate barbaric behavior. That is why there is war. I haven't posted the videos of them talking about their tank driving experiences where they love to have loud music on while shooting everything that moves and other insane things. But this isn't about looking at all the abuse we can see the abuse by looking it up ourself if we were capable. Not much time has passed since this war began and just because the photos arn't taken yesterday doesn't mean it's irrelevant. Those photos are leaked it's a wonder they were even taking photos......People aren't taking photos in a war zone 24/7 you don't know what kind of abuse is going on.

Back to the texas mob now...
"Thars only wun group of soldiers evar did bad to the terrorist and thay in jail boy. Thay in jail. Thay got no military out there not doin no good cause thay in Jail boy. Those terrorist hiding hind woman and children we got to be offensiave. oh com on dunt show me those photos thay too old. They old photos. Never nothing like that happen again. We got some braave freedum fighters for my country raight thare. And dunt u say nothing bad about em cause these terrowist ain't gunna listen to no-body. You think these terrorist gunna just lay down? No Iraqi abuse never not gunna happen again."

Um duh, we HAVE taken responsibility for that abuse, that was the point of my post and, yeah, I was talking about the casualties of the IRAQI women and children who get killed because the guys we are fighting cant just square up and fight. I like how you paraphrased me too, to make it look like I only cared about our own troops.

Im not sure what video you are talking about but I know for a fact that is not something ordinary that goes on, my brother has been there for over a year and seen more than you probably ever will. I think you should get off your high horse and come to terms with your own selfrightous ego with little to back your own opinions up than isolated incidents.

The war started carelessly. That is enough. There is no need to demolish hundreds and hundreds of civilians and their homes.

Originally Posted by Harrycombs

Peace talks don't always work. Remember that were dealing with religious fanatics. Although, this would be the right step. Unfortunately, "we don't negotiate with terrorists."

Your post was not that bad this time your improving. Saying peace talks don't always work is only highlighting failure while going no-where special. But the truth is Discussion of policies to help eliminate war are superior and the next step towards success, and going somewhere. When you have peace talks I want to be clear to you that negotiating with terrorists is not the same as global and national peace talks. So quickly discard that idea from your mind. Unless of course your agenda lies somewhere else and the statement was a weapon against emerging logic to subdue the unveiling of illusion. In which case bring it on.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

It's even better for hypnotizing people into believing my posts. My bosses in the CIA increased my avatar budget by a few cents.

This odd out of place totally random outcast humor about the CIA and your account as well as hypnotizing people has me a bit suspicious considering your apparent lack of interest in any co-operation with anything to do with truth, it would entirely make sense. I would say again; A weapon against emerging logic to subdue the unveiling of illusion? Simply Bring it on, the faster we shall unveil. And Maybe.....if we search your old posts for bush we will find some absurd statements supporting him that we could verify and have a good laugh about.

Btw I have met Keith Olbermann and he is not fringe. He's what you call a proper journalist that actually does his own reporting for once unlike most that mindlessly read from a script given to them on a platter which they don't understand or care about.

Originally Posted by apachama

I understand this Bush hate cult

I think you're a bit behind in the times. It's not so much a hate cult as a David Letterman joke fest with public awareness of a stupid president consensus.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

This odd out of place totally random humor about the CIA and your account has me a bit suspicious considering your apparent lack of interest in any co-operation with anything to do with truth. I would say again; A weapon against emerging logic to subdue the unveiling of illusion? Bring it on, the faster we shall unveil.

Btw I have met Keith Olbermann and he is not fringe. He's what you call a proper journalist that actually does his own reporting for once unlike most that mindlessly read from a script given to them on a platter which they don't understand or care about.

I see that you have also met this woman...

I see that you have also read this book.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

I see that you have also read this book.

Touchdown!

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

When you have peace talks I want to be clear to you that negotiating with terrorists is not the same as global and national peace talks.

I hate our discussing with terrorists policies. I support the FARC, for instance, and there is little chance of the US government backing down.

So quickly discard that idea from your mind. Unless of course your agenda lies somewhere else and the statement was a weapon against emerging logic to subdue the unveiling of illusion. In which case bring it on.

I have no idea what your talking about. Why would I want to subdue the unveiling of an illusion? And what illusion are you talking about

Also, what would you do about this war? Would you just pull the troops out immediately?

Why would I want to subdue the unveiling of an illusion?

I don't know why would you? I said if that was your intention I didn't say it was. Lots of people have that intention for lots of reasons. Greed, selfishness, ignorance. The list goes on.

what would you do about this war? Would you just pull the troops out immediately?

I would need to do more research about what is going on and I'd have to be personally involved in it more closely to be able to make informed decisions. I understand enough to know what has happened was careless. Correcting the carelessness involves a more personal informed involvement of the details. Overall I would stop the war and uphold stability by creating a supportive environment.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Overall I would stop the war and uphold stability by creating a supportive environment.

That is exactly what we are trying to do now. If you didnt have the insurgents, it would be very simple for us to create such an environment. They know it, thats why they stay, because disorder makes it easier for them to gain support.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

I don't know why would you? I said if that was your intention I didn't say it was. Lots of people have that intention for lots of reasons. Greed, selfishness, ignorance. The list goes on.

Lol, look at my avatar Also, why did my post make you think that my intention could be "subduing the unveiling of an illusion".

Overall I would stop the war and uphold stability by creating a supportive environment.

Its not that simple.