Interesting or "out there" views on things.

[mindwanderer]

Well, I love going from forum to forum finding various threads and posting my opinion on the subject. From this I've found that many find my point of view is frightening or sad. Few people agree with or understand the way I look at things. So do any of you have wierd, abstract or possibly controversial POVs? It could be on any subject. Could be on marriage, rape, murder, torture, politics, experiments, war or even simple things like emotions, the human state and stuff like that. So any takers?

[Minervas Phoenix]

Yeah where do I begin? I'm with Nexus. http://www.nexusmagazine.com/

[marlie]

I am a strong beliver in ditching welfare completely, with the exeption of those with a genuine disability, illness or exeptional circumstance people should have to work or starve,If people cant afford to pay for their kids by working they should be removed into care ( sorry but parents shouldnt have them if they cant pay for them).Im sick to death of paying tax for people to sit on their ass all day, especially the teenage single mums that get given a council house and money to keep breeding their illigitamate children!!!!!!!!!! example..My friends sister is 18 and pregnant for the 3rd time, she has been given a gorgeous 3 bedroom house for free, no council tax no rent..shit loads of money from child benefits etc etc. whereas my husband works full time, i work part time plus attend university and bust our asses yet struggled for two years to find more than a bedsit on our budget. I feel like workers are punished for not getting knocked up young. *rant over*

[Minervas Phoenix]

First it's not humane to starve people if they can't find a suitable job that suits them as individuals in a struggling economy. A persons life has to be sustainable so they don't fall into depression and suffer illness from their job. It has to be a healthy ethical lifestyle that allows them the freedom to fulfill their potential. Something very difficult to find right now in the face of global poverty. Removing welfare would just about push some people over the edge and create even more suffering, ruining many lives and cutting off a lifeline to have even a little hope. The welfare system is suppose to ensure society stays healthy. This is not what it has become. The injustice you observed with you is not an accident. If you're sick of paying tax. You should be angry at the ones responsible for regulating it. Which is not those stuck on welfare. You should demand you become aware of and take part in where the tax money goes instead of trusting what are criminals to be ethical. Only a small portion of tax money goes to welfare if you look at it. The rest goes to enslaving you into a position where you need welfare. If they cut extravagant counter-productive spending in areas not in your best interest. Then there is enough money and resources to give every person at least 1 million dollars. Not to mention better education with no fees. This has being discussed in Russia and some want to implement it as mandate humanitarian payment to prevent these kinds of problems in the first place. The reason workers are punished is because they don't want you to get anywhere. You might solve the problem then people would be free. When you thrive off of power and control the last thing you want is to be made helpless before the people you want to oppress. Now you're beginning to understand it's not about working together logically. You give them the money to wage that war on you're freedom. Instead of realizing what belongs to you and where everyones money is going. Compared to where it should be going. Don't get angry at the victims but those that take your tax money away and use it for their own purposes are the criminals. Think about if you knew and had a say where that money goes. You wouldn't have a problem and the welfare system would be benefiting you and giving you what you deserve. Your friends sister would be out of poverty in time and provide a valuable service as well as giving her children the life they deserve. So look at fixing the tax system and de-centralizing power. The welfare system is our right and needed for our protection.

[Neruo]

I am in favour of the non-violent extermination of all stupid people. Genocide? Naaaaah, it's just surprise euthanasia.

[Sisyphus50]

Just think about how stupid the average person is... Then realise, that half of them are stupider than that. Oh George, we miss ya mate.

[archdreamer]

Well, I love going from forum to forum finding various threads and posting my opinion on the subject. From this I've found that many find my point of view is frightening or sad. Few people agree with or understand the way I look at things. So do any of you have wierd, abstract or possibly controversial POVs? It could be on any subject. Could be on marriage, rape, murder, torture, politics, experiments, war or even simple things like emotions, the human state and stuff like that. So any takers? Could you outline these controversial views of yours?

[mindwanderer]

This is a good start, Firstly I to an extent agree with marlie. That's the way it should have been. And If this thread needs a little revive I'll throw in my POV every once in a while.

[kichu]

I am TRIPPING out. Did this thread not happen, like, 6 months ago? I swear I remember every one of these posts. Deja vu?

[Invader]

I believe maritime piracy is a legitimate form of business with the presence of law enforcement along the coast. The same applies to professional acts of theft in the presence of high-tech security.

[Carôusoul]

I am the Übermensch.

[marlie]

First it's not humane to starve people if they can't find a suitable job that suits them as individuals in a struggling economy. A persons life has to be sustainable so they don't fall into depression and suffer illness from their job. It has to be a healthy ethical lifestyle that allows them the freedom to fulfill their potential. Something very difficult to find right now in the face of global poverty. Removing welfare would just about push some people over the edge and create even more suffering, ruining many lives and cutting off a lifeline to have even a little hope. The welfare system is suppose to ensure society stays healthy. This is not what it has become. The injustice you observed with you is not an accident. If you read what i wrote again you will see that i counted for exeptional circumstances, people that genuinely need support i am willing to pay for HOWEVER i am not willing to pay for people that intentionally get pregnant at a young age with the full intention of living off tax payers money, also everytime i drive past the job centre i see guys hanging around outside waiting for their cheque with a can of beer in one hand and a ciggarette in the other, why the fuck should i pay for them to drink and smoke when i personally dont have the money to drink every day if i wanted to and i work! My issue is not with those in genuine need of financial support as i originally stated. My issue is with those that put themselves in a "kooshty" little position at the tax payers expense! Damn straight its humane for these people to starve, my jusification for this is that there are several hard working family units who arent far off starvation themselves even with every will in the world to make life better. As far as the whole physcological issues involved with being in a unsuitable job, do u think that in ww1 the soldiers wanted to be there? do u think that when ur granpa was working his ass off to stop ur parent starving he loved his job? Its life, people survived working horrific and back breaking hours in whatever they could find and in third world countrys still do to survive and make ends meet all throughout history why is this era in westernised society so different? I do blame the government, i dont specifically blame the scroungers and milkers of society, i can almost see why they do it, the chance of a free and easy existence is appealing, and its the goverment that allow, infact almost encourage it by keep paying out... however each man and woman is responsible for themselves... if a frail old man was lying on the ground dying with an open wallet full of cash would u be obliged to take it? no? so why steal money from hard working people by claiming welfare on the pretence that you need it when really you dont??

[Minervas Phoenix]

You make a fair point and we should take that problem into consideration. But what I was saying you know to put it into perspective in terms of tax you will be lucky if you are paying more than 50 cents a week towards welfare overall. The rest of the tax goes to other unnecessary things. Including millions of dollars just for a few political adds on tv for an election. That alone cost you more than welfare. The goods and services tax cost you more and most of that is wasted in ways that are not responsible. So there is lots of things that are done wrong. Welfare is a drop in the bucket. I'm not saying people should be allowed to be lazy they shouldn't. But the main concern to solve that is where the tax money goes as a whole to balance it. The welfare system is one area of many than needs improvement.

[marlie]

You make a fair point and we should take that problem into consideration. But what I was saying you know to put it into perspective in terms of tax you will be lucky if you are paying more than 50 cents a week towards welfare overall. The rest of the tax goes to other unnecessary things. Including millions of dollars just for a few political adds on tv for an election. That alone cost you more than welfare. The goods and services tax cost you more and most of that is wasted in ways that are not responsible. So there is lots of things that are done wrong. Welfare is a drop in the bucket. I'm not saying people should be allowed to be lazy they shouldn't. But the main concern to solve that is where the tax money goes as a whole to balance it. The welfare system is one area of many than needs improvement. Oh absolutley i couldnt agree with you more, your completely right, But i dont really have a strong view about the other waste of goverment money because I dont feel it directly pisses me off as much. ( of course in the bigger picture its a massive part of the thing that does and it is incredibly small minded of me not to acknoledge it) But when asked in this thread to put across my somewhat contraversial views the welfare argument is the most privalent to what directly irritates me, and the one which i feel strongest about. I didnt attempt to delve into everything wrong with the goverment.. i dont have enough time to vent about all that, theres too much wrong with it to type in one day lol.

[tkdyo]

Im pro life with the view that its not only the woman's body, she is sharing it with another human being, why should a thin layer of skin make a being invalid? of course this doesnt apply when its still one cell or such, but there comes a point I believe around when the brain becomes active that its horrific. Also, I agree with Marlie on welfare. It pisses me off too.

[♥Mark]

I don't care much for Cheezies.

[Sandform]

I don't care much for Cheezies. Monster!

[♥Mark]

Monster! DON'T LOOK AT ME!!!

[Minervas Phoenix]

Oh absolutley i couldnt agree with you more, your completely right, But i dont really have a strong view about the other waste of goverment money because I dont feel it directly pisses me off as much. ( of course in the bigger picture its a massive part of the thing that does and it is incredibly small minded of me not to acknoledge it) But when asked in this thread to put across my somewhat contraversial views the welfare argument is the most privalent to what directly irritates me, and the one which i feel strongest about. I didnt attempt to delve into everything wrong with the goverment.. i dont have enough time to vent about all that, theres too much wrong with it to type in one day lol. Cheers. Now time for the latest remix of the classic Bill Oreilly insanity.

[marlie]

I also want to bring corporal punishment back to the uk... yet more wasted tax money goes on keeping murderers alive and healthy, whats the point? kill em, chuck em in a skip and be done with the drama. yeah some may argue that its giving them an easy way out but if the alternative is for hard working people to put a warm roof over their heads, 3 meals a day in their bellys and a kiss on the nose before bed, That doesnt wash with me.

[Ardent Lost]

I feel like i'm the only one in the world who sees good in every single person. I feel like i'm the only person in the world who genuinely loves humanity, warts and all, and who believes that all the screwups, all the idiocy, all the corruption is there for a reason - to let us know that the way we're living life is not advantageous, and to help us to learn how to live a better way. I think anger and violent reaction towards that which makes people uncomfortable is not only pointless but it only adds to the destruction. So my point of view is one that nobody seems to take seriously, and everybody seems to scoff at. My point of view is that this planet and human life is more valuable than people know, and that i seem like the only person in the world who can see all of this, which is very frustrating. /rant

[StonedApe]

I think we should get rid of the prison system. People who use violence to solve their problems aren't "evil". They don't need to be punished. Force is a very inneffective way to solve a problem. Thus I beleive that the prison system is an ineffective system to solve the problem of crime. Most people who go into the prison system do not come out as better people. It doesn't do anything to help them. Vegence solves no problems. We need to help these people. They have problems. We need to set up some kind of system to help people rather than ppunish them.

[Ardent Lost]

I agree stonedape. However, i think we should try and figure out how to attack the problem before its inception. That's how we can really help these people. We need to figure out what causes people to become the way they are and solve that. Because i don't think many people who have already walked too far down the darker paths of life are willing to open themselves up to the kind of help they require. This doesn't mean we shouldn't try, but i do think that these people still need to be excluded from mainstream society. If a more beneficial alternative to prison can be produced then great, but for the moment prison is the best we have. This is what i meant in my post when i said that all the screw-ups and idiocy is there for a reason. If we took note of how people are screwing theirs and other peoples' lives up instead of waiting for our world to produce a screw-up so we can lock them up or kill them i think then things might be better. It's just too bad the world doesn't seem to have any desire for such a shift. However, i believe that a time will come, sooner or later, when people will realise that this shift is necessary.

[Sisyphus50]

I agree stonedape. However, i think we should try and figure out how to attack the problem before its inception. That's how we can really help these people. We need to figure out what causes people to become the way they are and solve that. Because i don't think many people who have already walked too far down the darker paths of life are willing to open themselves up to the kind of help they require. This doesn't mean we shouldn't try, but i do think that these people still need to be excluded from mainstream society. If a more beneficial alternative to prison can be produced then great, but for the moment prison is the best we have. Poverty. Poverty is the cause of nearly all crime. Illegal drugs are sold for money. Theft of property is primarily to sell for money, or to keep for oneself in lieu of using money to buy it. Poverty almost guarantees poor education (and therefore lower paying jobs), especially sex education. Poor sex education leads to poorly planned families, more poverty, and the cycle continues. If poverty was eliminated from this world, crime would fall dramatically. All that would remain would be crimes of passion, and the mentally ill (there is no cure for sociopathy - you can't grow a conscience). I believe things will get better once the world switches from oil to renewable energy. The cost of renewable energy doesn't go up - the sun isn't going anywhere anytime soon, the wind will still blow and the water will still fall due to gravity. Our world getting off of oil will stabilise the global economy, and create a lot of wealth for everyone in the process.

[StonedApe]

I agree, poverty is certainly the cause. But it's more than poverty, it's the class system. Rich taking advantage of the poor. The problem of poverty can be solved now, but selfishness gets in the way. There is enough food and shelter for everyone to live comfortably. Renewable energy will be a good thing, but it will not solve all our problems. The rich will still find some way to take advantage of the poor.