Thread: Marijuana Decriminilization Passed(MA)

The post previous to mine mentioned social services.

I think addicts need help and that social services should step in and get them help, especially if they have a family. Addicts can't help it, they got carried away and are physically unable to stop. AA is good an all, but lots of time someone has to step in for them to even go.

Sorry....gotta call BS on ya there ninja.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

The post previous to mine mentioned social services.

I think addicts need help and that social services should step in and get them help,

No...you can't save people from themselves. That's socialism. You just make the avenues undeniably available. You cannot force recovery on an addict even to the point of allowing Euthanasia. Darwinization, it's not history, but it can be the future.

especially if they have a family.

Yes, especially if they have a family. Getting involved beyond the protection of those who cannot otherwise protect themselves will not work. Confrontational visits are the extent unless a waiver of certain rights toward the endeavor of assisted Detox for a limited period of time is as far as an ideal system should go. Note, there is no Utopia. The most that can be asked for of a system is liberty and protection from others. The system cannot protect you from yourself without violating every amendment in the bill of rights at some point.

Addicts can't help it, they got carried away and are physically unable to stop.

Actually, Heroine and strong opiates are the only drugs that develope physical dependancies. As such, only %20 develope such physical dependancies statistically, and detox from opiates will not kill you even though detox from alchohol will. Psychological addiction is the primary factor and leads to a rise in statistic among those physically addicted to Opiates due to prolonged useage. Most physically dependant opiate users have real pain for which only opiates may lessen. Interestingly enough, there are some pains opiates cannot stop. Most of those are nerve pain and Marijuana tends to treat most of those cases. Cyatic Nerve damage & Multiple Sclerosis for just a couple of examples.

AA is good an all, but lots of time someone has to step in for them to even go.

Forced rehab on anyone just hampers the whole recovery process. Tends to turn what is meant to be a place of recovery into a connection hub for what most are trying to avoid to begin with.

Just one correction. Lots and lots of drugs cause physical dependancies, any of them that alter the chemistry of the brain can produce a physical addiction. Even caffeine is very slightly physically addictive. Some are just much harder to quit than others. The most notorious is nicotine, it mimics the effects of dopamine so the body stops producing it.

No, it's not socialism, it's public service. Some people destroy themselves and that's fine, but it also destroys the lives of those around them, and in rare cases can take them. Lots of people are stupid and get into a car under the influence. Addicts need help. If they get caught under the influence, they need to be sent to rehab.

Aye, treatment, not jail time.

Why should one addict's disease be illegal while the other gets to buy a patch with their health insurance?

I must idsagree ninja. People should be responsible for themselves. Coercing people out of fear of what they 'might' do is socialism. Now if a person using is caught operating a vehicle or preforming actions that could endanger other people than rehab, confinement, and drug education are necessary. However, moving into the realm of Thought Crimes and Pre-Crime are very dangerous political machina of slavery.

Nicotine is physically dpendant but it doesn't mimic dopamine. Nicotines mimics acetyl-choline.

Crystal meth, cocaine, marijuana, LSD, DXM and MOST others are for the most part psychologically addictive. Psychological and physical addiction are pole. in that they are fairly much the same thing but they are opposite ends of the same thing, The mind-body.

Lysergic Acid Diethylamide is not addictive at all.

Just putting that out there.

How about if you disagree with ALL forms of prohibition you support house thefts, teen suicide, the running over of pedestrians with the right away, the murder of one's mtoehr, etc. The logic implied is the same as the logic you implies. Highly delusional drugs can make one kill people or cause car accidents. Extreme hallucinagens should be illegal for that reason. Meth causes people to become thieves and in many cases to be violent. Alchohal restrictions exists so violent drunks and drunk drivers have no excuse.

For the sake of the majority and neccestial utilitarianism, I don't give a crap if it's someone's personal right to do moonflower if they end up killing someone because of it.

I say give the states the power to decide drug laws. Hopefully, most states will make pot legal and a few will keep the ban so the concerned mothers organization can got here and not complain.

But the dangerous drugs, ones that make people delusional and violent, those need to stay illegal. And don't say that that fuels drug dealers. It does only to a degree. Meth dealers, for example, are caught very frequently. This is a large deterant. Pot dealers on the other hand, can get away with it better.

The market for violent drugs is significantly smaller than the others anyway.

If one is in control of their mental state taking some acid or mushrooms or some other halllucinogenic drug will not adversly affect someone. I've certaintly never been violent nor met anyone violent when under the influence of any such drugs. On the other hand I have seen countless angry drunks.

If you're not using it, growing it, building your house with it. Then you get a penalty.

Remember everything is backwards in society. Do the opposite of everything society does, and you become godlike. The opposite of society equals enlightenment.

to me the bottom line is that pot is a lot less harmful than alcohol. in every way possible. alcohol is legal therefore it isn't logical for pot to be illegal.

it's unconstitutional on a very basic level for the government to tell me what i can and cannot put in my body. imho

DeathCell, I assume that most of the drugs you have done generally make people more docile if anything. But drugs like meth lead directly to crime. And extreme hallucinogens like moonflower or acid often lead to violence or unintentional suicide.

Some people can hold thier LSD, agreed. Enough people can't that it puts the majority at risk.