Thread: Progress in Iraq. How is the war going?

I have a feeling that most of the people here don't know what they are talking about, not just Universal Mind. I caught Universal Mind once bullshitting about the Patriot Act, I'll catch the rest of you eventually.

Originally Posted by Xei

If the evidence was so strong then why was it completely wrong?

The evidence was not strong, it was non-existent. UM, please read the 911 Commission Report. It's long, but don't try to debate with someone who's read it on Iraq.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

The evidence was not strong, it was non-existent. UM, please read the 911 Commission Report. It's long, but don't try to debate with someone who's read it on Iraq.

And as I said before. There is no mention of 9/11 on the FBI wanted poster for Bin Laden. And now 2 wars have been fought, with like a million people dead, without any actual reason behind them. If we count out the obvious oil and war is business reasons.

Originally Posted by Xei

If the evidence was so strong then why was it completely wrong?

How do you know it was? Wrong or not, it came from many sources. That is a fact, and the empty insults I am about to address are worthless at proving that fact wrong.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Universal Mind must be dis-information. If he was simply retarded he wouldn't be so intelligent at debating his backward blatantly false conceptions. One can only conclude he is actively trying to make people ignorant on purpose. There is no other way to explain why he demonstrates knowledge of truth yet debates against it directly. You have to know some things in order to debate against them. So he reveals easily that he knows but he debates it in the hope others can be convinced of his false arguments, which he knows are false. The purpose is to make people ignorant. That's trolling.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

No, no, no. Don't assume malice when stupidity will do. Humans have this thing called "double think", where they can hold two inconsistent notions in their mind simultaneously. This occurs when there's a serious lack in critical thinking skills. You have the same problem. Incidentally, this is one of the main differences between a brain and a computer.

In those two posts combined, the number of counterarguments to what I said = 0. You two are pathetic pieces of shit.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

I have a feeling that most of the people here don't know what they are talking about, not just Universal Mind. I caught Universal Mind once bullshitting about the Patriot Act, I'll catch the rest of you eventually.

You are a liar, hypocrite.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

The evidence was not strong, it was non-existent. UM, please read the 911 Commission Report. It's long, but don't try to debate with someone who's read it on Iraq.

Show me where in that it says the evidence was "nonexistent". Why were Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry talking about the evidence before George W. Bush even had national fame? It is so absurd when people act like Bush made the whole thing up. Why is the far left so dishonest?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You are a liar, hypocrite.

Huh? You kept saying that the Patriot Act didn't apply to American citizens. You pulled that out of your ass, I showed you Title 2.

Show me where in that it says the evidence was "nonexistent". Why were Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry talking about the evidence before George W. Bush even had national fame? It is so absurd when people act like Bush made the whole thing up. Why is the far left so dishonest?

Chapter 2.

During the Clinton Administration there were WMDs. They hadn't finished taking them apart until the very late 1990s.

The 911 Commission Report was a bipartisan effort, you do you think it was compiled by the far left?

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Huh? You kept saying that the Patriot Act didn't apply to American citizens. You pulled that out of your ass, I showed you Title 2.

It does not apply to American citizens that are not "enemy combatants". The government cannot just come round you up and keep you for as long as they want without a trial because they feel like it. They have to have a good case that you can reasonably be considered an enemy combatant in a war. Things have always been that way. We, and everybody else, have always been able to keep prisoners of war without a trial. How many of these prisoners of war have been American citizens?

By the way, I am not a fan of the Patriot Act.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Chapter 2.

Quote it for me. No evidence of WMD's, not a thing for Bush to go on except his own fantasy? Let's see it.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

During the Clinton Administration there were WMDs. They hadn't finished taking them apart until the very late 1990s.

No, the Hussein regime never did account for all of their WMD's.

How do you know it was? Wrong or not, it came from many sources. That is a fact, and the empty insults I am about to address are worthless at proving that fact wrong.

Completely unreliable and unsubstatiated sources, then.

In Britain the people who wrote the dossier actually knew it was wrong.

Originally Posted by Xei

Completely unreliable and unsubstatiated sources, then.

If they were, how were we supposed to know that? How can we know it now?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

It does not apply to American citizens that are not "enemy combatants".

Americans are americans weather or not they are enemy combatants or not. Innocent until proven guilty.

They have to have a good case that you can reasonably be considered an enemy combatant in a war.

A good case would be able to get a warrant with no trouble and convict them in a federal court. Innocent until proven guilty, if the case is so strong then there should be no problem proving them guilty.

Quote it for me. No evidence of WMD's, not a thing for Bush to go on except his own fantasy? Let's see it.

Ugh, I gotta go find it. I have it on a bookshelf somewhere but I don't know where.

No, the Hussein regime never did account for all of their WMD's.

The International Atomic Energy Agency said that they did. Condoleezza Rice lied to you. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/29/...ns-inspectors/

If they were, how were we supposed to know that? How can we know it now?

We know it now because they were wrong!

The intelligence was clearly not good enough because it was completely wrong.

What do you mean, 'how could we have known they weren't lying'? We can't go acting on every unsubstantiated claim that people make.

Originally Posted by Xei

We know it now because they were wrong!

How do you know?

Originally Posted by Xei

The intelligence was clearly not good enough because it was completely wrong.

What do you mean, 'how could we have known they weren't lying'? We can't go acting on every unsubstantiated claim that people make.

It is not like we got the intelligence from random bums walking around downtown New Orleans. We got it from intelligence agencies from several governments. It was extremely serious stuff.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Americans are americans weather or not they are enemy combatants or not. Innocent until proven guilty.

A good case would be able to get a warrant with no trouble and convict them in a federal court. Innocent until proven guilty, if the case is so strong then there should be no problem proving them guilty.

I hear you. It is a very serious issue. The Patriot Act poses a lot of problems. Just understand that what we are dealing with is not easy. We don't have time to send every prisoner of war through the court system, but we do have a Bill of Rights to uphold.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

The International Atomic Energy Agency said that they did. Condoleezza Rice lied to you. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/29/...ns-inspectors/

There is a difference between accounting for every single weapon and assessing that apparently no WMD's exist. A lot of officials disagreed with that assessment any way. But what is certain is that not every WMD was accounted for.

One way or the other, a terrorist government with a propensity for having WMD's has to go. We all know that they were trying to get their hands on more of them. That was a huge problem. Dealing with it was not easy.