Dear California... really?

[ninja9578]

California, which is supposed to be the most progressive state in the union, has a proposition to abolish gay marriage It's called Proposition 8 and many many people and companies have started a campaign against it. How did something like that even get onto the ticket in California? Bigotry has no place in legislation. Why is the country going backwards?

[Original Poster]

California has a lot of bigotry shrouded underneath a veil of liberal politics. You'd be surprised how bad it is.

[Snowy Egypt]

As much as I LOATHE this, at least Ellen DeGeneres got married before it was proposed. Now we just have to fight so the little people can keep the same right.

[Half/Dreaming]

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clip...earchterm=butt The most logical solution to this problem. Don't mind the stupid commercial when you open up the page.

[runlola]

It's called Proposition 8 and many many people and companies have started a campaign against it. How did something like that even get onto the ticket in California? the mormons are responsible for Prop 8

[ninja9578]

YOU GOD DAMMED HILLBILLIES! How the fuck did a gay marriage ban pass in California? Bigotry has no place in our law system. The CA supreme court better shoot that shit down fast.

[Original Poster]

Watch them not.

[Universal Mind]

Why is the country going backwards? I have been asking that question all day. Remember that most liberals are not what they claim to be. Most of them don't give a happy damn about ANY of the groups they act like they care so much about. Stick around this planet. You will eventually realize what I am talking about.

[Original Poster]

That's what I said in my first post. California has a lot of bigotry shrouded underneath a veil of liberal politics. You'd be surprised how bad it is. To be fair, conservatives have a lot of big government tendencies shrouded underneath a veil of libertarianism and purism.

[Bearsy]

My mom and brother actually cheered when they heard the news. I went OFF on them. Fuck.

[Universal Mind]

To be fair, conservatives have a lot of big government tendencies shrouded underneath a veil of libertarianism and purism. Yep. And they frustrate me just as much. The line between liberalism and conservatism has gotten pretty blurry. I usually laugh at conspiracy theories, but I am seriously considering the possibility that the Democratic and Republicans parties are one big organization trying to pass itself off as two parties. Democrats are now pushing for radio censorhip and Republicans are now crying for free speech, Republicans support a hundred million government programs, the Republican Congress didn't do shit when they had a Republican president, Democrats in the government support the war on drugs, John Kerry and George W. Bush were in the same secret society at Yale at the same time...

[ninja9578]

My only hope is that the huge gay population in California sues and it goes back to the CA supreme court. Just like last time, the CA supreme court will take it down.

[Snowy Egypt]

My mom and brother actually cheered when they heard the news. I went OFF on them. Fuck. I'm not going to say what I want, as I fear I might cuss...

[Bearsy]

I did, I swore a lot, I didn't care. It offended me so deeply I couldn't help myself. I almost came out to them right then and there.

[mini0991]

I hope people understand gay marriage is more than a title. The reason it should be there is so gay couples have the same rights of kinship and tax breaks as heterosexual couples do. This is nothing but discrimination. Hint to those who voted for this: Get your noses out of a 3,000 year old highly errant book and think for yourselves. Sorry if it's offensive.

[juroara]

on the flip side, I think it was great that some religious groups actually apposed this they don't want state to tell them how to run their churches, so they felt it was equally wrong to tell state how to run. while morally, they feel homosexual marriages are not ordained by God, they do not feel it is their place to define marriage for the state. they recognized, marriage is different things to different people. no one religion gets to claim what it is for everybody I hope those who voted yes, understand this and think differently in the future. they have every right to remain against homosexual marriage. but they need to understand they don't have the right to define what marriage is for everyone we need separation of church and state for a reason

[Techno]

This proposition was not backed up by logic or reason, but primarily by religious and political propaganda, as well as deception at levels that made me infuriated. My family was not informed of the truth and implications behind the bill, and their bigotry and hatred upset me beyond belief. Schools can still talk about homosexuality, regardless of this bill passing, and if you aren't already aware of this, some interest groups are aiming for preventing non-married couples from adopting. Sounds like a series of laws trying to be passed to smother the homosexual lifestyle, which is ridiculous and hateful. I could hardly reason with my family, and I warned them that, should the proposition pass, people for equal rights for homosexuals would protest. Yesterday, we saw on the news a quick excerpt on such protests actually happening, and to my shock my brother-in-law shouted a string of expletives at how stupid they were for doing such a thing as fighting for equality. It's unfortunate that the radical religious community is desperately trying to delay what is inevitable, and will be wasted tax-payers' money that we don't have to spare on hateful bills and propositions that will just be overturned in courts sooner or later. But it's also very very unfortunate that some of us (like me and Elis D.) actually live with these kind of people.

[Sandform]

the mormons are responsible for Prop 8 This is true, they funded the whole thing... Because marriage can't be corrupted by homosexuality...it needs to remain as it is strictly defined...as between a man and his many underage girls.

[Wolfsbane]

Arkansas, Arizona and Florida also passed laws discriminating homosexuals. I am so ashamed of Cali, though. When I first heard about prop 8, I didn't give it serious consideration. I thought it was just the work of some misguided nutjob religious people. I spent the first 15 years of my life in Cali (San Jose). 75% of my friends weren't straight, and many who were bi in high school are now fully gay. I thought I knew Cali so well. It's so diverse and accepting. They also have San Francisco, gay capital of the world. I thought there was no way in hell that shit would pass. We won Obama, but lost civil rights. I think it's better than destroying prop 8 and getting mccain, though. He would probably do everything in his power to pass that law. At least Obama offers hope. Women's rights, African American rights... One day we'll get the rights we deserve as human beings. My mom and brother actually cheered when they heard the news. I went OFF on them. Fuck. Some douchebag republican in my history class was praising it, too. "Finally, California has seen the light!" I asked him how he'd feel is straight marriage was banned. He just rolled his eyes and said that'd never happen. He wasn't even willing to try seeing it from the eyes of the discriminated. He doesn't think it's discrimination to strip rights away from an entire group of people. Fucking douchebucket. I was going to tell him off, but I decided to be nice until this quarter is over. He's still of use to me because he answers any questions I have. I hate to be two-faced, but I feel that this is completely justified. But damn, it's hard to not suckerpunch him in the middle of class. I know the democratic teacher would conviniently look away.

[tkdyo]

^ I really hate republicans like that that give us logical ones a bad name. My oldest brother is gay, but he is still republican because he believes in small government and so on...however, Im really ashamed at the state of the republican party and even more ashamed that so many people can still think this way in 2008

[Universal Mind]

^ I really hate republicans like that that give us logical ones a bad name. My oldest brother is gay, but he is still republican because he believes in small government and so on...however, Im really ashamed at the state of the republican party and even more ashamed that so many people can still think this way in 2008 I really wonder how much more support the Republican Party would get if they would stop trying to cram their religion into the government. It is the one thing that really screws up the logic of their platform. Without theocratic tendencies, Republicans are pretty much Libertarians. I wonder how many liberals would stop hating Republicans so much if the Republicans in general started supporting complete separation of church and state. Then again, if Republican officials stopped trying to cram religion into the government, I wonder how many Republicans would drop out of the party and start a new one.

[ninja9578]

Judging by where the republican vote is, I'd say that the majority of them would start a new party if they took the christianity out of their platform.

[Universal Mind]

Judging by where the republican vote is, I'd say that the majority of them would start a new party if they took the christianity out of their platform. IF all Republicans took Christianity out of their stances, do you think the party would be a lot less hated? Would the large mass of vile hatred toward Republicans become civil disagreement? I sometimes think that if Republicans would stop pushing for abortion bans and bans on gay marriage and so forth, a lot of people would chill out and actually consider the Republican stances on economics and foreign policy. It seems like so many people have such an extreme reaction against Republicans when it comes to social issues that the haters of Republicans automatically conclude that Republicans are wrong about economics and foreign policy, which are much bigger issues. I am not saying you or anybody else here is like that. I just think it is common.

[ninja9578]

Their history with foreign policy and economics is terrible, but it's not why people hate them. People hate them because liberals are very passionate about civil rights (within reason, NAMBLA can go to hell) and republicans have been on the wrong side of civil rights very single time with the exception of the very early days of the party. In these liberal days they still are against women's right to have abortions and homosexual rights to marriage, that's why I hate them, not their failed policies.

[Universal Mind]

Their history with foreign policy and economics is terrible, but it's not why people hate them. People hate them because liberals are very passionate about civil rights (within reason, NAMBLA can go to hell) and republicans have been on the wrong side of civil rights very single time with the exception of the very early days of the party. In these liberal days they still are against women's right to have abortions and homosexual rights to marriage, that's why I hate them, not their failed policies. Thanks. That is very informative, and it is what I figured. It is very frustrating for me that the issues I disagree with Republicans on are the ones that make them so hated. It makes me want to bitch slap all of them repeatedly because the instances where they are SUCH morons are what too often ruin their support on the issues where I agree with them. That is not to say that people don't oppose their economics and foreign policy for other reasons. I just think their economics and foreign policy would have more ears listening if they weren't such infuriating knuckleheads on social issues.