They Will Kill Us All... Without Firing a Shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_OJcPKEYDE

Watch the whole doc, that link is part 1.

For those of you thinking I put key loggers in my links, or if 2hours is a bit too long...In short, 1 company (Monsanto) is slowly monopolizing food. They make genetic changes to plants to suit the needs of mass production which has proven to cause health problems. This is how they are giving us Cancer. Monsanto used to be one of the largest chemical companies in the world, and is now in control of our food supply.

gg guys...good fuckin game.

Interesting I will watch this in a bit. After I finish what I'm doing.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_OJcPKEYDE

Watch the whole doc, that link is part 1.

For those of you thinking I put key loggers in my links, or if 2hours is a bit too long...In short, 1 company (Monsanto) is slowly monopolizing food. They make genetic changes to plants to suit the needs of mass production which has proven to cause health problems. This is how they are giving us Cancer. Monsanto used to be one of the largest chemical companies in the world, and is now in control of our food supply.

gg guys...good fuckin game.

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Get off the meds... or on. Depending on what is the actual case.

^never watched the doc

It sucks that the world will inevitably run out of animals, and then food will be expensive, and the poor will starve to death unless we have a socialist world government (which some might consider a potential utopia). We're not all going to die. Only the poor kids.

Are you a rich kid DD?

No, but I'm ready to accept my fate as being one of "the others".

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Of course not. You can spend all day watching amateur documentaries about a million ways they world is going to end. Waste of time if you ask me.

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It sucks that the world will inevitably run out of animals

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Animals have sex, you know?

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and then food will be expensive, and the poor will starve to death

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Much unlike now, where the poor live rich and fulfilling lives.

You've completely destroyed my argument by stating already known facts. I'm hurt.

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You've completely destroyed my argument by stating already known facts. I'm hurt.

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You have a cat as your avatar. It is wearing a fruit shell on its head.

Yeah, do you like that? Do you like truth? Yeeeaaahh, take it. Take it deep.

Gross. I'm going to try and be a rich kid now, so I can watch as the rest of the populace slowly starves to death while I play on my multi-million dollar house-boat.

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Get off the meds... or on. Depending on what is the actual case.

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Of course not. You can spend all day watching amateur documentaries about a million ways they world is going to end.

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Two absolutely irrelevant statements only meant to be insulting or fallacious. Way to go Mr. Truth.

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Two absolutely irrelevant statements only meant to be insulting or fallacious. Way to go Mr. Truth.

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You've completely destroyed my argument by stating already known facts. I'm hurt.

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Proud to be a dickhead. I pity you.

Why would anyone have an interest in killing the entire human species unless they are mentally ill? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No humans, no profit. And no mentally ill person would be CEO of a large company anyway because they would be largely inefficient by coming up with shit ideas like "OMG let's kill all humans so we make no more profit and all die in the process ourselves". What a thoroughly dumb idea.

Killing large masses of humans means less humans. Less humans means the greedy, wealthy elite has to share EVEN less of it's riches. Depopulation is one of the things that keep Capitalism going. Less people = More wealth + a Diseased, weak humanity is a million dollar business supplying expensive treatments and medicine.

Indeed, the people who have this on tyheir agenda ARE mentally ill. All of Mankind is mentally very ill. Don't know if you've noticed yet. Humanity is very sick and it's disease is Ego-centricness, Capitalism and it's excessive ignorance are it's symptoms. The worst symptom of this ignorant disease is the idea they are perfectly healthy and fine.

Our market-based society has lost it's human values as it is finetuned to make every human being a minimal cost and a maximal profit-source. We're slaves living in the illusion of freedom. Those that fiercly rebel and revolt against the system are not "paranoid" or delusional; They are NOT blind and see what's going on, unlike masses of mundaine, "normal" people.

They are shaping our diet to make us the ultimate, willless workslaves. In this twisted logic they have also created druglaws: Not to protect public health as they claim, but to keep us dumb, ignorant workants. Outlawing Magic Mushrooms, Marijuana, Salvia, DMT, LSD and Peyote were simply a move to make Consciousness-expanders unavailable to the masses of slaves. Because if they'd be really concerned about public health our governments wouldn't freely sell alcohol, coffee and tobacco and as a state make many millions doing that. But needless to say: Alcohol, Coffee and Tobacco are not going to make you a rebel: Rather the opposite. Cigarettes hooks people and makes them feel weak/not in control, Coffee keeps poor sleepy slaves awake so they can work more than mother nature would let them, and alcohol washes the intellect and rationality away so slaves ecome to senseless to grasp how much their existance is one of brutal Slavery.

So they are now messing with our food so we massively become weak and diseased and die.... That hardily even surprises me, given that I'm already aware of their heartless, wicked intentions.
It more so surprises me to see people call this "paranoid conspiracy theories", cause then they clearly have no idea of how much they too, like all of us, are economical slaves.

SKA, I'm with you so long as you're not one of the people who's against genetically engineered crops.

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didn't you see the video? genetically engineered food has bad long term effects that can cause diseases. they are far less nutritious. if we were all forced to eat nothing but GMO we would all die of malnutrition.

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Killing large masses of humans means less humans. Less humans means the greedy, wealthy elite has to share EVEN less of it's riches. Depopulation is one of the things that keep Capitalism going.

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No, actually capitalism is based on free trade and you need a whole bunch of people to keep it going. Your money becomes worthless if you just killed 90% of the population in the process of acquiring it because then there's probably not even a guy at McDonalds who can make you a burger, or a guy building streets to drive on. So it's pointless to kill your customers, I thought that would be pretty obvious.

I agree with most of the rest of your post though, but not in that there are people out there who think anyone has a big-time advantage from large-scale homicide.

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didn't you see the video? genetically engineered food has bad long term effects that can cause diseases.

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What a bland and unfounded generalization. Really, there's not much point in debating with you because you seem to think that anything that is on the internet is invariably true. Well, another thing that has bad long term effects is not eating anything. Yet another point is that it's the consumer's decision to pay as little money as possible on food, so it's the companies responsibility to produce the cheapest food possible. In other developed countries, people spend 3 to 4 times as much money (% of their income) on food.

Are you aware that virtually all functioning countries have food regulation for customer protection? You can't just put out whatever garbage you think people will buy without anybody checking it first. Don't you remember fucking BSE and H5N1? BSE isn't even that big a deal and they still killed thousands of animals over it.

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Can you imagine... clean water, food and air, living in communities with animals and people who care... then you get an infection and you're fucking dead. Sounds like a spoiled hippie with romanticized ideas of the past (ironically taken from the big bad media) just took a dump on human achievement.

Great Video acidman. I remember seeing it before.

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No, actually capitalism is based on free trade and you need a whole bunch of people to keep it going. Your money becomes worthless if you just killed 90% of the population in the process of acquiring it because then there's probably not even a guy at McDonalds who can make you a burger, or a guy building streets to drive on. So it's pointless to kill your customers, I thought that would be pretty obvious.

I agree with most of the rest of your post though, but not in that there are people out there who think anyone has a big-time advantage from large-scale homicide.

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Sure. A Free Market. That's what they tell us it is. Except it does not serve the people, it limits and opresses them.Their freedom has become inferior, profit maximalisation has become superior interrest. We're all so caught up making money that we forget human values and community spirit. The economical elite is making very sure that people in middle and lower classes STAY there and don't rise up. They wouldn't want to share their fortunes. Ever wondered why the Economical Elite class always consists of so very little people?

Try starting a carreer as an artist, make and sell some paintings and behold as the Taxcollectors snatch away 2/3d of your hard, honoustly earned income. This happened to my brother-in-law. He has a very minimal income and sold some paintings and now the taxcollector-nazis are confiscating pretty much all of it. There's no way a man can rise up the economical ladder and make a decent living this way. Sure the illusion that "if you really want to and work hard at it" is being put up, but I'm not having that BS.

So if we've already come to the point we no longer see humans as valuable beings, but as consumers, we've already taken a very wrong turn.

From this materialistic, ego-centric perspective take a look at the vast majority of human population: Poor poor poor. Too poor to live in a proper house, too poor to have clean water, too poor to have enough to eat. These people aren't at all attractive consumers. From this sick perspective: These people only cost alot of money.

And poor people make up the vast majority of the human population. They're not even going to be able to make the big boys money. They are not going to buy cars, cellphones, playstation 3, PCs... So killing them, the poor majority, would be the wickedminded Capitalist desire. Yes we have been properly brainwashed to fear communism and to embrace Capitalism. But Capitalism's ideal of "you can become a hero from zero" is an illusion, to keep the poor, hardworking masses working towards that illusion. You think the big boys are just gunna welcome the masses of poor people to come play their profit games and share in their welfare? Think again.

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Can you imagine... clean water, food and air, living in communities with animals and people who care... then you get an infection and you're fucking dead. Sounds like a spoiled hippie with romanticized ideas of the past (ironically taken from the big bad media) just took a dump on human achievement.

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You sound like you're very frustrated about something. As if you have no hope. As if you don't dare to dream. This is exactly the blindness that our "free-market"-based society propagates us from birth. Respect your superiors, Have blind Faith in the System and fear, redicule and bash anyone who opposes this "glorious system". And those that propagate another system are fools.Right?

If you get an infection and die than at least it wasn't an unnececairy suffering. I myself would rather die of an infection in some hippy community in nature, then being bombarderd with my loved ones in a city. Disease and infection are unavoidable things in life; They're natural. However we humans and our ego-centric moneymindedness make eachother's lives an endless misery. War, economical exploitation, Dictatorial states, Terror, Racism, Fascism..etc All these manmade disasters are unnececairy and unnatural. We oughta know better than that.
Capitalism makes us forget that we should work together to survive as a community, and instead makes us think we should just garantee our own survival and to see others as competition. Divide and Rule. It's a millenia old way of dominating and exploiting people that works just as well today as it did in pre-roman times. You are the living proof of that.

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Great Video acidman. I remember seeing it before.


Sure. A Free Market. That's what they tell us it is. Except it does not serve the people, it limits and opresses them.Their freedom has become inferior, profit maximalisation has become superior interrest. We're all so caught up making money that we forget human values and community spirit. The economical elite is making very sure that people in middle and lower classes STAY there and don't rise up. They wouldn't want to share their fortunes. Ever wondered why the Economical Elite class always consists of so very little people?

Try starting a carreer as an artist, sell some paintings and behold as the Taxcollectors snatch away 2/3d of your hard, honoustly earned income. This happened to my brother-in-law. He has a very minimal income and sold some paintings and now the taxcollector-nazis are confiscating pretty much all of it. There's no way a man can rise up the economical ladder and make a decent living. Sure the illusion that "if you really want to and work hard at it" is being put up, but I'm not having that BS.

So if we've already come to the point we no longer see humans as valuable beings, but as consumers, we've already taken a very wrong turn.

From this materialistic, ego-centric perspective take a look at the vast majority of human population: Poor poor poor. Too poor to live in a proper house, too poor to have clean water, too poor to have enough to eat. These people aren't at all attractive consumers. From this sick perspective: These people only cost alot of money.

And poor people make up the vast majority of the human population. They're not even going to be able to make the big boys money. They are not going to buy cars, cellphones, playstation 3, PCs... So killing them, the poor majority, would be the wickedminded Capitalist desire. Yes we have been properly brainwashed to fear communism and to embrace Capitalism. But Capitalism's ideal of "you can become a hero from zero" is an illusion, to keep the poor, hardworking masses working towards that illusion. You think the big boys are just gunna welcome the masses of poor people to come play their profit games and share in their welfare? Think again.

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OK I have two questions first:

1. I thought you were from the Netherlands or something... no? Are you American?

2. What do you think about prostitution, in this context?

1.I am from the Netherlands. But Capitalism is a worldwide disease. It was even brought from my continent into yours.
And there is little difference, really, in our Political/Economical system.

2.Personally I think prostitutes are people that have very little value for something that I hold as spiritual and sacred as Sex, as prefer money over the joy of having sex ith someone they love. But at least they aren't exploiting anyone else, but themselves.

Talk about prostitution. I think our system is prostituting us to corporates, indoctrinating us to be good hard working slaves that will (have to) accept an income that by no means is enough to climb up on the Economical ladder. While our system SHOULD be protecting us from that exploitation, by making it so that everybody can rent a house, get healthcare, buy food and electricity/gas and that a 9 to 5, 5-days of the week backbreaking job is not just enough to pay the rent, bills, healthcare and food to keep our heads above the water.

Right now it's a struggle to just rent a house over here. So if you work very hard there's stillno money left for much else than basic survival. A friend of mine lost his Job and was really stressed out trying to find a new Job or else he would not be able to pay the rent and get kicked out of his house. I know many more who live like this. My mother, where I currently still live due to lack of rental houses with a payable rent, is in the same position. Stuck. Many of my friends have resorted to Squating. They pay no rent and a small compensation for the electricity they use, but then again have no certainty of how long they can live there.

Our government could give us young, unwealthy people a helping hand by Restricting the heartless Housing Market-corporates to rent more houses and to lower the rent.
But they don't do a damn thing at all. you know why? Because they don't CARE. Not even a tiny little bit.
Because the leading, dominant Liberal Politicians all have a fair share in the Profits of these Housing building-corporations and House owners that rent rooms & appartments.
They don't care for human values such as helping the youth being able to make a good start and have a roof over their heads and some money left for any activities or ambitions other than just plain survival. No they only care for money.

THIS is what I hate about capitalism. It has no heart, only profit intent.

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Why would anyone have an interest in killing the entire human species unless they are mentally ill? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No humans, no profit. And no mentally ill person would be CEO of a large company anyway because they would be largely inefficient by coming up with shit ideas like "OMG let's kill all humans so we make no more profit and all die in the process ourselves". What a thoroughly dumb idea.

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I really don't have much to add to SKA's original answer about this.

First off, I do not believe they intend to wipe us out; but for argument's sake, if such an assumption were true, it could easily be explained by the very nature of greed; it lacks forsight and wisdom. It is a disease. These businesses are driven by profit alone. If that means they are driving full speed into an inevitable brick wall, what do they care? Chances are they will be dead and have lived their insanely rich lives before this happened. It will never affect them.

Also this is not one person's wisdom. It is a corporation; a system without conscience, regardless of how "good" it's individual components may be, and most with any power are not.

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Why would anyone have an interest in killing the entire human species unless they are mentally ill? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No humans, no profit. And no mentally ill person would be CEO of a large company anyway because they would be largely inefficient by coming up with shit ideas like "OMG let's kill all humans so we make no more profit and all die in the process ourselves". What a thoroughly dumb idea.

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Well that's exactly my point: People in Capitalistic societies ARE extremely mentally ill. They have been raised in a sick, sick system. For most it's all they know, so off course they see it as normal. And this sick sick system indeed IS self destructing. Because this disease has made them blind to the fact that we need eachother to survive. They think they can endlessly exploit the masses, but don't realise that they're actually sawing off the branch on which they are standing.
Well I don't believe they intend to massively murder us, but I have no trouble believing they deliberately don't cure diseased people allthough they could, just to make more profits selling ineffective cures over and over intentionally.
I would also not have trouble believing they spread diseases amongst populations, so to be able to make alot of money selling the cure.

Why don't I find this hard to believe?
Let's look at factual reality of Profit based-society:

It is a welknown fact that Food Authorities such as the FDA allow alot of REALLY unhealthy conservatives and sweeteners to foods. Some are plain toxic and cause liver damage, others induce cancergrowth (ever heard of aspartame? it's in almost everything you eat and drink)
They make us sick and so we have to pay alot of money for fixing the resulting damage.

Here's another nice one: They put Fluor in toothpaste, while it is a known fact that Fluor creates holes in teeth. So we go to the dentist and pay a high price to get our teeth fixed. The government taxes the incomes of dentists, surgeans and doctors. 1+1=2
To keep money pooring out of our wallets, into circulation, to eventually end up in their wallets. And stay there.

Another wellknown fact is healthcare costs being deliberately kept too high for large lowerclass populations so they can't get that new heart or urgent surgery, because they can't pay for it? Happens in the US at large. Because rather than curing these people, they'd make a hell of a lot more profit deliberately letting these people die; They're not worthy consumers anyways.


Knowing this, I find it easy and reasonable to imagine these same people spreading megadeath over poor populations; So poor they only cost alot of money, because their budget is simply too low to be have any kind of consumer-value to the corporate elite.
The Capitalist system exploits it's people like a Firefighter that is also an arsonist: He sets fire to buildings, then he is payed by the poor, dumb people to put out the fire.
They create a problem and offer the solution against payment.

Here's a man who will tell you the about the sickness I'm telling you about in a musical and poetic way: Money

good posts, SKA! :-) I agree on most of what you've said.

And to also give an artistic input:

Get Well Soon - People Front Cover Magazine

Wake up, my dear, wake up
We found a new industry
Investments will pay off
The product's the truth
People will pay for the answers
That we deliver
Why their neighbour's lawn's greener
And the world's in a mess
Baby, we're heading for profit
We'll have no worries no more
We'll be the first on the moon
And we're reaching out for the stars
And we'll be called the people of the year

Now as we're rich
And we own half of China
We'll use our money
To change the world
Baby, we'll reinvent monarchy
We will rule the world
I will be king and you'll be queen
Your crown fits so well that
We'll be called the people of the year

But when we're alone
We are still the same
That we used to be
When we were young
And people won't know
That we've tricked them all
And that we still hide the truth
Under our bed
In our castle

if I was a wealthy rich man, I wouldn't want to share none of it, either

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What a bland and unfounded generalization. Really, there's not much point in debating with you because you seem to think that anything that is on the internet is invariably true. Well, another thing that has bad long term effects is not eating anything. Yet another point is that it's the consumer's decision to pay as little money as possible on food, so it's the companies responsibility to produce the cheapest food possible. In other developed countries, people spend 3 to 4 times as much money (% of their income) on food.

Are you aware that virtually all functioning countries have food regulation for customer protection? You can't just put out whatever garbage you think people will buy without anybody checking it first. Don't you remember fucking BSE and H5N1? BSE isn't even that big a deal and they still killed thousands of animals over it.

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if you would have actually watched the video. you would see how my supposed bland generalizations are based on research and FACT. Life never rewards ignorance in a good way.

We had a pretty good discussion going. I really enjoyed SKA's input.

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That is because you have been trained to think this way. We are a civilization of survivalists with a bit of technology to make us civilized and calm. We are a civilization of prostitutes, selling our limited time for a cheap wage (if we are smart, hardworking and lucky we get a slightly better wage). We are merely domesticated apes...

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That is because you have been trained to think this way. We are a civilization of survivalists with a bit of technology to make us civilized and calm. We are a civilization of prostitutes, selling our limited time for a cheap wage (if we are smart, hardworking and lucky we get a slightly better wage). We are merely domesticated apes...

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it's really amusing when someone responds seriously to something I obviously posted out of humor.....

It wasn't so obvious actually. He doesn't know you.

Eugenics was actually very popular at one time, and believe it or not it still has a place in the world. There are actually a lot of scientists and stuff who believe killing off large sections of the human race is a good thing. There have been companies that have killed off entire communities and stuff. In fact in places like Africa it happens a lot more than people like to admit. Especially with them getting tainted drugs and the like. Even in the US there has been cases of things like drugs that make you sterile, and the companies knew what it did but they didn't tell people. So yea they are sick in the head, but there really are people like that. A lot of them in fact.

Though I do not believe this is a case where they are trying to kill people. More of a case that the stuff isn't good for you but they are to short sighted to really care. They make a huge amount of money selling it, if it kills off a few thousand people it doesn't bother them. They don't even think of the implication that it could kill millions.

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I hope you were joking. But because so many people in this world today have that view of "take everything, give nothing back", and they are NOT joking, but serious, the wealth is so inequally shared in this world, which subsequently leads to alot of frustration, violence and war.

We've been living in a destructive system which' mentality is "every man for themselves" and now that this system has thoroughly wasted the world's resources and made the contrast between wealthy and poor so huge, it will continue to selfdestruct.

I can only hope there will be a new system with a "One for all, All for one" mentality to replace it. Community spirit

Blah blah blah I don't know shit about science yet I'm going to criticise you when you have a rebuttal that is composed of facts.

Oops that's the rest of you.

Get a clue, genetically engineered organisms are not inherently dangerous or bad to eat. It depends on what the modifications are. The precursor to genetic engineering was selective breeding, now we can take out the part where animals fuck and do it all in one short step. Past that, we can combine things that were previously impossible to combine.

Chemical companies are not out to kill you. If they had the means (read: If there would be no backlash, all of you crackpots would already be dead.

Now, before you ask me to provide you with a solid case against your ideas, provide me with a solid case for them. Don't ask me to watch the documentary, tell me what's in it. If you can't, either you're too stupid or the documentary has no substance. Take your pick.

So basically you want someone else to do the work for you?

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No, actually capitalism is based on free trade and you need a whole bunch of people to keep it going. Your money becomes worthless if you just killed 90% of the population in the process of acquiring it because then there's probably not even a guy at McDonalds who can make you a burger, or a guy building streets to drive on. So it's pointless to kill your customers, I thought that would be pretty obvious.

I agree with most of the rest of your post though, but not in that there are people out there who think anyone has a big-time advantage from large-scale homicide.

What a bland and unfounded generalization. Really, there's not much point in debating with you because you seem to think that anything that is on the internet is invariably true. Well, another thing that has bad long term effects is not eating anything. Yet another point is that it's the consumer's decision to pay as little money as possible on food, so it's the companies responsibility to produce the cheapest food possible. In other developed countries, people spend 3 to 4 times as much money (% of their income) on food.

Are you aware that virtually all functioning countries have food regulation for customer protection? You can't just put out whatever garbage you think people will buy without anybody checking it first. Don't you remember fucking BSE and H5N1? BSE isn't even that big a deal and they still killed thousands of animals over it.

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See my view is, the plants have always been like this why fuck with it?
Crossbreeding buds on the otherhand, delicious.

Who knows the long term effects? They don't test these things for 50 something years.

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So basically you want someone else to do the work for you?

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No, I'd like someone to give me a solid case to discuss when opening a new thread, that's all. By that I mean showing an understanding of what they've linked to and being able to explain it in their own words. In order to talk about a subject, there must first be a subject to talk about.

Apologies for the angry rant.

To our governments and their sponsors, the large corporates, we are nothing but income sources, labour forces. Don't expect any compasion or nobelty from them. And don't be suprised at large scandals where high ranking officials, presidents/bosses of large corporations massively steal community funds; it's their self centeredness. They're inability to think outside of themselves.

It doesn't at all suprise me because I am already well aware of their mentality. If it suprises you that stock brokers, presidents of banks, housing market tycoons..etc, "people that are expected to be responsible and legit", are now running off with the retirement funds of so many people, then you clearly have too much faith in our Authorities and their sponsors.

If you find the idea of these people conspiring to reduce poor populations massively inconceivable and unrealistic, then I don't believe you are really aware of that mentality of theirs and how little it makes them care for us.