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      Why would anyone have an interest in killing the entire human species unless they are mentally ill? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No humans, no profit. And no mentally ill person would be CEO of a large company anyway because they would be largely inefficient by coming up with shit ideas like "OMG let's kill all humans so we make no more profit and all die in the process ourselves". What a thoroughly dumb idea.
      Well that's exactly my point: People in Capitalistic societies ARE extremely mentally ill. They have been raised in a sick, sick system. For most it's all they know, so off course they see it as normal. And this sick sick system indeed IS self destructing. Because this disease has made them blind to the fact that we need eachother to survive. They think they can endlessly exploit the masses, but don't realise that they're actually sawing off the branch on which they are standing.
      Well I don't believe they intend to massively murder us, but I have no trouble believing they deliberately don't cure diseased people allthough they could, just to make more profits selling ineffective cures over and over intentionally.
      I would also not have trouble believing they spread diseases amongst populations, so to be able to make alot of money selling the cure.

      Why don't I find this hard to believe?
      Let's look at factual reality of Profit based-society:

      It is a welknown fact that Food Authorities such as the FDA allow alot of REALLY unhealthy conservatives and sweeteners to foods. Some are plain toxic and cause liver damage, others induce cancergrowth (ever heard of aspartame? it's in almost everything you eat and drink)
      They make us sick and so we have to pay alot of money for fixing the resulting damage.

      Here's another nice one: They put Fluor in toothpaste, while it is a known fact that Fluor creates holes in teeth. So we go to the dentist and pay a high price to get our teeth fixed. The government taxes the incomes of dentists, surgeans and doctors. 1+1=2
      To keep money pooring out of our wallets, into circulation, to eventually end up in their wallets. And stay there.

      Another wellknown fact is healthcare costs being deliberately kept too high for large lowerclass populations so they can't get that new heart or urgent surgery, because they can't pay for it? Happens in the US at large. Because rather than curing these people, they'd make a hell of a lot more profit deliberately letting these people die; They're not worthy consumers anyways.


      Knowing this, I find it easy and reasonable to imagine these same people spreading megadeath over poor populations; So poor they only cost alot of money, because their budget is simply too low to be have any kind of consumer-value to the corporate elite.
      The Capitalist system exploits it's people like a Firefighter that is also an arsonist: He sets fire to buildings, then he is payed by the poor, dumb people to put out the fire.
      They create a problem and offer the solution against payment.

      Here's a man who will tell you the about the sickness I'm telling you about in a musical and poetic way: Money
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      good posts, SKA! :-) I agree on most of what you've said.

      And to also give an artistic input:

      Get Well Soon - People Front Cover Magazine

      Wake up, my dear, wake up
      We found a new industry
      Investments will pay off
      The product's the truth
      People will pay for the answers
      That we deliver
      Why their neighbour's lawn's greener
      And the world's in a mess
      Baby, we're heading for profit
      We'll have no worries no more
      We'll be the first on the moon
      And we're reaching out for the stars
      And we'll be called the people of the year

      Now as we're rich
      And we own half of China
      We'll use our money
      To change the world
      Baby, we'll reinvent monarchy
      We will rule the world
      I will be king and you'll be queen
      Your crown fits so well that
      We'll be called the people of the year

      But when we're alone
      We are still the same
      That we used to be
      When we were young
      And people won't know
      That we've tricked them all
      And that we still hide the truth
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      if I was a wealthy rich man, I wouldn't want to share none of it, either
      naturals are what we call people who did all the right things accidentally

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      Quote Originally Posted by Serkat View Post
      What a bland and unfounded generalization. Really, there's not much point in debating with you because you seem to think that anything that is on the internet is invariably true. Well, another thing that has bad long term effects is not eating anything. Yet another point is that it's the consumer's decision to pay as little money as possible on food, so it's the companies responsibility to produce the cheapest food possible. In other developed countries, people spend 3 to 4 times as much money (% of their income) on food.

      Are you aware that virtually all functioning countries have food regulation for customer protection? You can't just put out whatever garbage you think people will buy without anybody checking it first. Don't you remember fucking BSE and H5N1? BSE isn't even that big a deal and they still killed thousands of animals over it.

      if you would have actually watched the video. you would see how my supposed bland generalizations are based on research and FACT. Life never rewards ignorance in a good way.
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      We had a pretty good discussion going. I really enjoyed SKA's input.

      if I was a wealthy rich man, I wouldn't want to share none of it, either
      That is because you have been trained to think this way. We are a civilization of survivalists with a bit of technology to make us civilized and calm. We are a civilization of prostitutes, selling our limited time for a cheap wage (if we are smart, hardworking and lucky we get a slightly better wage). We are merely domesticated apes...

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      Quote Originally Posted by grasshoppa View Post

      That is because you have been trained to think this way. We are a civilization of survivalists with a bit of technology to make us civilized and calm. We are a civilization of prostitutes, selling our limited time for a cheap wage (if we are smart, hardworking and lucky we get a slightly better wage). We are merely domesticated apes...
      it's really amusing when someone responds seriously to something I obviously posted out of humor.....
      naturals are what we call people who did all the right things accidentally

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      It wasn't so obvious actually. He doesn't know you.

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      Eugenics was actually very popular at one time, and believe it or not it still has a place in the world. There are actually a lot of scientists and stuff who believe killing off large sections of the human race is a good thing. There have been companies that have killed off entire communities and stuff. In fact in places like Africa it happens a lot more than people like to admit. Especially with them getting tainted drugs and the like. Even in the US there has been cases of things like drugs that make you sterile, and the companies knew what it did but they didn't tell people. So yea they are sick in the head, but there really are people like that. A lot of them in fact.

      Though I do not believe this is a case where they are trying to kill people. More of a case that the stuff isn't good for you but they are to short sighted to really care. They make a huge amount of money selling it, if it kills off a few thousand people it doesn't bother them. They don't even think of the implication that it could kill millions.

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      Quote Originally Posted by AirRick101 View Post
      it's really amusing when someone responds seriously to something I obviously posted out of humor.....

      I hope you were joking. But because so many people in this world today have that view of "take everything, give nothing back", and they are NOT joking, but serious, the wealth is so inequally shared in this world, which subsequently leads to alot of frustration, violence and war.

      We've been living in a destructive system which' mentality is "every man for themselves" and now that this system has thoroughly wasted the world's resources and made the contrast between wealthy and poor so huge, it will continue to selfdestruct.

      I can only hope there will be a new system with a "One for all, All for one" mentality to replace it. Community spirit
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      Blah blah blah I don't know shit about science yet I'm going to criticise you when you have a rebuttal that is composed of facts.

      Oops that's the rest of you.

      Get a clue, genetically engineered organisms are not inherently dangerous or bad to eat. It depends on what the modifications are. The precursor to genetic engineering was selective breeding, now we can take out the part where animals fuck and do it all in one short step. Past that, we can combine things that were previously impossible to combine.

      Chemical companies are not out to kill you. If they had the means (read: If there would be no backlash, all of you crackpots would already be dead.

      Now, before you ask me to provide you with a solid case against your ideas, provide me with a solid case for them. Don't ask me to watch the documentary, tell me what's in it. If you can't, either you're too stupid or the documentary has no substance. Take your pick.

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      So basically you want someone else to do the work for you?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Serkat View Post
      No, actually capitalism is based on free trade and you need a whole bunch of people to keep it going. Your money becomes worthless if you just killed 90&#37; of the population in the process of acquiring it because then there's probably not even a guy at McDonalds who can make you a burger, or a guy building streets to drive on. So it's pointless to kill your customers, I thought that would be pretty obvious.

      I agree with most of the rest of your post though, but not in that there are people out there who think anyone has a big-time advantage from large-scale homicide.

      What a bland and unfounded generalization. Really, there's not much point in debating with you because you seem to think that anything that is on the internet is invariably true. Well, another thing that has bad long term effects is not eating anything. Yet another point is that it's the consumer's decision to pay as little money as possible on food, so it's the companies responsibility to produce the cheapest food possible. In other developed countries, people spend 3 to 4 times as much money (% of their income) on food.

      Are you aware that virtually all functioning countries have food regulation for customer protection? You can't just put out whatever garbage you think people will buy without anybody checking it first. Don't you remember fucking BSE and H5N1? BSE isn't even that big a deal and they still killed thousands of animals over it.
      See my view is, the plants have always been like this why fuck with it?
      Crossbreeding buds on the otherhand, delicious.

      Who knows the long term effects? They don't test these things for 50 something years.
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      Quote Originally Posted by dajo View Post
      So basically you want someone else to do the work for you?
      No, I'd like someone to give me a solid case to discuss when opening a new thread, that's all. By that I mean showing an understanding of what they've linked to and being able to explain it in their own words. In order to talk about a subject, there must first be a subject to talk about.

      Apologies for the angry rant.

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      To our governments and their sponsors, the large corporates, we are nothing but income sources, labour forces. Don't expect any compasion or nobelty from them. And don't be suprised at large scandals where high ranking officials, presidents/bosses of large corporations massively steal community funds; it's their self centeredness. They're inability to think outside of themselves.

      It doesn't at all suprise me because I am already well aware of their mentality. If it suprises you that stock brokers, presidents of banks, housing market tycoons..etc, "people that are expected to be responsible and legit", are now running off with the retirement funds of so many people, then you clearly have too much faith in our Authorities and their sponsors.

      If you find the idea of these people conspiring to reduce poor populations massively inconceivable and unrealistic, then I don't believe you are really aware of that mentality of theirs and how little it makes them care for us.
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      for doing so would make us Blind for the unimaginable, unparalleled Capacity of and Wisdom contained within our Felt Knowledge;Subconscious Intuition.

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