Thread: They Will Kill Us All... Without Firing a Shot.

Originally Posted by SKA

Killing large masses of humans means less humans. Less humans means the greedy, wealthy elite has to share EVEN less of it's riches. Depopulation is one of the things that keep Capitalism going.

No, actually capitalism is based on free trade and you need a whole bunch of people to keep it going. Your money becomes worthless if you just killed 90% of the population in the process of acquiring it because then there's probably not even a guy at McDonalds who can make you a burger, or a guy building streets to drive on. So it's pointless to kill your customers, I thought that would be pretty obvious.

I agree with most of the rest of your post though, but not in that there are people out there who think anyone has a big-time advantage from large-scale homicide.

Originally Posted by ranma187

didn't you see the video? genetically engineered food has bad long term effects that can cause diseases.

What a bland and unfounded generalization. Really, there's not much point in debating with you because you seem to think that anything that is on the internet is invariably true. Well, another thing that has bad long term effects is not eating anything. Yet another point is that it's the consumer's decision to pay as little money as possible on food, so it's the companies responsibility to produce the cheapest food possible. In other developed countries, people spend 3 to 4 times as much money (% of their income) on food.

Are you aware that virtually all functioning countries have food regulation for customer protection? You can't just put out whatever garbage you think people will buy without anybody checking it first. Don't you remember fucking BSE and H5N1? BSE isn't even that big a deal and they still killed thousands of animals over it.

Originally Posted by Elis D.

Can you imagine... clean water, food and air, living in communities with animals and people who care... then you get an infection and you're fucking dead. Sounds like a spoiled hippie with romanticized ideas of the past (ironically taken from the big bad media) just took a dump on human achievement.

Great Video acidman. I remember seeing it before.

Originally Posted by Serkat

No, actually capitalism is based on free trade and you need a whole bunch of people to keep it going. Your money becomes worthless if you just killed 90% of the population in the process of acquiring it because then there's probably not even a guy at McDonalds who can make you a burger, or a guy building streets to drive on. So it's pointless to kill your customers, I thought that would be pretty obvious.

I agree with most of the rest of your post though, but not in that there are people out there who think anyone has a big-time advantage from large-scale homicide.

Sure. A Free Market. That's what they tell us it is. Except it does not serve the people, it limits and opresses them.Their freedom has become inferior, profit maximalisation has become superior interrest. We're all so caught up making money that we forget human values and community spirit. The economical elite is making very sure that people in middle and lower classes STAY there and don't rise up. They wouldn't want to share their fortunes. Ever wondered why the Economical Elite class always consists of so very little people?

Try starting a carreer as an artist, make and sell some paintings and behold as the Taxcollectors snatch away 2/3d of your hard, honoustly earned income. This happened to my brother-in-law. He has a very minimal income and sold some paintings and now the taxcollector-nazis are confiscating pretty much all of it. There's no way a man can rise up the economical ladder and make a decent living this way. Sure the illusion that "if you really want to and work hard at it" is being put up, but I'm not having that BS.

So if we've already come to the point we no longer see humans as valuable beings, but as consumers, we've already taken a very wrong turn.

From this materialistic, ego-centric perspective take a look at the vast majority of human population: Poor poor poor. Too poor to live in a proper house, too poor to have clean water, too poor to have enough to eat. These people aren't at all attractive consumers. From this sick perspective: These people only cost alot of money.

And poor people make up the vast majority of the human population. They're not even going to be able to make the big boys money. They are not going to buy cars, cellphones, playstation 3, PCs... So killing them, the poor majority, would be the wickedminded Capitalist desire. Yes we have been properly brainwashed to fear communism and to embrace Capitalism. But Capitalism's ideal of "you can become a hero from zero" is an illusion, to keep the poor, hardworking masses working towards that illusion. You think the big boys are just gunna welcome the masses of poor people to come play their profit games and share in their welfare? Think again.

Originally Posted by Serkat

Can you imagine... clean water, food and air, living in communities with animals and people who care... then you get an infection and you're fucking dead. Sounds like a spoiled hippie with romanticized ideas of the past (ironically taken from the big bad media) just took a dump on human achievement.

You sound like you're very frustrated about something. As if you have no hope. As if you don't dare to dream. This is exactly the blindness that our "free-market"-based society propagates us from birth. Respect your superiors, Have blind Faith in the System and fear, redicule and bash anyone who opposes this "glorious system". And those that propagate another system are fools.Right?

If you get an infection and die than at least it wasn't an unnececairy suffering. I myself would rather die of an infection in some hippy community in nature, then being bombarderd with my loved ones in a city. Disease and infection are unavoidable things in life; They're natural. However we humans and our ego-centric moneymindedness make eachother's lives an endless misery. War, economical exploitation, Dictatorial states, Terror, Racism, Fascism..etc All these manmade disasters are unnececairy and unnatural. We oughta know better than that.
Capitalism makes us forget that we should work together to survive as a community, and instead makes us think we should just garantee our own survival and to see others as competition. Divide and Rule. It's a millenia old way of dominating and exploiting people that works just as well today as it did in pre-roman times. You are the living proof of that.

Originally Posted by SKA

Great Video acidman. I remember seeing it before.


Sure. A Free Market. That's what they tell us it is. Except it does not serve the people, it limits and opresses them.Their freedom has become inferior, profit maximalisation has become superior interrest. We're all so caught up making money that we forget human values and community spirit. The economical elite is making very sure that people in middle and lower classes STAY there and don't rise up. They wouldn't want to share their fortunes. Ever wondered why the Economical Elite class always consists of so very little people?

Try starting a carreer as an artist, sell some paintings and behold as the Taxcollectors snatch away 2/3d of your hard, honoustly earned income. This happened to my brother-in-law. He has a very minimal income and sold some paintings and now the taxcollector-nazis are confiscating pretty much all of it. There's no way a man can rise up the economical ladder and make a decent living. Sure the illusion that "if you really want to and work hard at it" is being put up, but I'm not having that BS.

So if we've already come to the point we no longer see humans as valuable beings, but as consumers, we've already taken a very wrong turn.

From this materialistic, ego-centric perspective take a look at the vast majority of human population: Poor poor poor. Too poor to live in a proper house, too poor to have clean water, too poor to have enough to eat. These people aren't at all attractive consumers. From this sick perspective: These people only cost alot of money.

And poor people make up the vast majority of the human population. They're not even going to be able to make the big boys money. They are not going to buy cars, cellphones, playstation 3, PCs... So killing them, the poor majority, would be the wickedminded Capitalist desire. Yes we have been properly brainwashed to fear communism and to embrace Capitalism. But Capitalism's ideal of "you can become a hero from zero" is an illusion, to keep the poor, hardworking masses working towards that illusion. You think the big boys are just gunna welcome the masses of poor people to come play their profit games and share in their welfare? Think again.

OK I have two questions first:

1. I thought you were from the Netherlands or something... no? Are you American?

2. What do you think about prostitution, in this context?

1.I am from the Netherlands. But Capitalism is a worldwide disease. It was even brought from my continent into yours.
And there is little difference, really, in our Political/Economical system.

2.Personally I think prostitutes are people that have very little value for something that I hold as spiritual and sacred as Sex, as prefer money over the joy of having sex ith someone they love. But at least they aren't exploiting anyone else, but themselves.

Talk about prostitution. I think our system is prostituting us to corporates, indoctrinating us to be good hard working slaves that will (have to) accept an income that by no means is enough to climb up on the Economical ladder. While our system SHOULD be protecting us from that exploitation, by making it so that everybody can rent a house, get healthcare, buy food and electricity/gas and that a 9 to 5, 5-days of the week backbreaking job is not just enough to pay the rent, bills, healthcare and food to keep our heads above the water.

Right now it's a struggle to just rent a house over here. So if you work very hard there's stillno money left for much else than basic survival. A friend of mine lost his Job and was really stressed out trying to find a new Job or else he would not be able to pay the rent and get kicked out of his house. I know many more who live like this. My mother, where I currently still live due to lack of rental houses with a payable rent, is in the same position. Stuck. Many of my friends have resorted to Squating. They pay no rent and a small compensation for the electricity they use, but then again have no certainty of how long they can live there.

Our government could give us young, unwealthy people a helping hand by Restricting the heartless Housing Market-corporates to rent more houses and to lower the rent.
But they don't do a damn thing at all. you know why? Because they don't CARE. Not even a tiny little bit.
Because the leading, dominant Liberal Politicians all have a fair share in the Profits of these Housing building-corporations and House owners that rent rooms & appartments.
They don't care for human values such as helping the youth being able to make a good start and have a roof over their heads and some money left for any activities or ambitions other than just plain survival. No they only care for money.

THIS is what I hate about capitalism. It has no heart, only profit intent.

Originally Posted by Serkat

What a bland and unfounded generalization. Really, there's not much point in debating with you because you seem to think that anything that is on the internet is invariably true. Well, another thing that has bad long term effects is not eating anything. Yet another point is that it's the consumer's decision to pay as little money as possible on food, so it's the companies responsibility to produce the cheapest food possible. In other developed countries, people spend 3 to 4 times as much money (% of their income) on food.

Are you aware that virtually all functioning countries have food regulation for customer protection? You can't just put out whatever garbage you think people will buy without anybody checking it first. Don't you remember fucking BSE and H5N1? BSE isn't even that big a deal and they still killed thousands of animals over it.

if you would have actually watched the video. you would see how my supposed bland generalizations are based on research and FACT. Life never rewards ignorance in a good way.

We had a pretty good discussion going. I really enjoyed SKA's input.

if I was a wealthy rich man, I wouldn't want to share none of it, either

That is because you have been trained to think this way. We are a civilization of survivalists with a bit of technology to make us civilized and calm. We are a civilization of prostitutes, selling our limited time for a cheap wage (if we are smart, hardworking and lucky we get a slightly better wage). We are merely domesticated apes...

Originally Posted by grasshoppa

That is because you have been trained to think this way. We are a civilization of survivalists with a bit of technology to make us civilized and calm. We are a civilization of prostitutes, selling our limited time for a cheap wage (if we are smart, hardworking and lucky we get a slightly better wage). We are merely domesticated apes...

it's really amusing when someone responds seriously to something I obviously posted out of humor.....

It wasn't so obvious actually. He doesn't know you.

Eugenics was actually very popular at one time, and believe it or not it still has a place in the world. There are actually a lot of scientists and stuff who believe killing off large sections of the human race is a good thing. There have been companies that have killed off entire communities and stuff. In fact in places like Africa it happens a lot more than people like to admit. Especially with them getting tainted drugs and the like. Even in the US there has been cases of things like drugs that make you sterile, and the companies knew what it did but they didn't tell people. So yea they are sick in the head, but there really are people like that. A lot of them in fact.

Though I do not believe this is a case where they are trying to kill people. More of a case that the stuff isn't good for you but they are to short sighted to really care. They make a huge amount of money selling it, if it kills off a few thousand people it doesn't bother them. They don't even think of the implication that it could kill millions.

Originally Posted by AirRick101

it's really amusing when someone responds seriously to something I obviously posted out of humor.....

I hope you were joking. But because so many people in this world today have that view of "take everything, give nothing back", and they are NOT joking, but serious, the wealth is so inequally shared in this world, which subsequently leads to alot of frustration, violence and war.

We've been living in a destructive system which' mentality is "every man for themselves" and now that this system has thoroughly wasted the world's resources and made the contrast between wealthy and poor so huge, it will continue to selfdestruct.

I can only hope there will be a new system with a "One for all, All for one" mentality to replace it. Community spirit

Originally Posted by Serkat

No, actually capitalism is based on free trade and you need a whole bunch of people to keep it going. Your money becomes worthless if you just killed 90% of the population in the process of acquiring it because then there's probably not even a guy at McDonalds who can make you a burger, or a guy building streets to drive on. So it's pointless to kill your customers, I thought that would be pretty obvious.

I agree with most of the rest of your post though, but not in that there are people out there who think anyone has a big-time advantage from large-scale homicide.

What a bland and unfounded generalization. Really, there's not much point in debating with you because you seem to think that anything that is on the internet is invariably true. Well, another thing that has bad long term effects is not eating anything. Yet another point is that it's the consumer's decision to pay as little money as possible on food, so it's the companies responsibility to produce the cheapest food possible. In other developed countries, people spend 3 to 4 times as much money (% of their income) on food.

Are you aware that virtually all functioning countries have food regulation for customer protection? You can't just put out whatever garbage you think people will buy without anybody checking it first. Don't you remember fucking BSE and H5N1? BSE isn't even that big a deal and they still killed thousands of animals over it.

See my view is, the plants have always been like this why fuck with it?
Crossbreeding buds on the otherhand, delicious.

Who knows the long term effects? They don't test these things for 50 something years.