Thread: Internet Piracy

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Then you have contradicted yourself. You said that it's not copyright violation as long as you produce the copy with your own instruments.

...in private for non-commercial purposes.

Originally Posted by Ynot

If you set up a business based on people buying your sandwiches, knowing full well that these duplicators can be used instead
then you have chosen a poor business model and deserve to go out of business due to incompetence

Your whole argument is based around the idea of some sort of anarcho-capitalistic system where money is the supreme authority on anything, with no further legislation added. All you're saying is "If people break laws pertaining to your product then that's your own problem. If copyright wasn't a legal concept then lots of businesses would be inefficient". I might as well say "If theft wasn't a crime then lots of businesses would be inefficient. If you know your store can be broken into and there's no efficient way to protect your store then you have chosen a poor business model." That doesn't change the fact that theft is theft and it's morally repulsive. The whole thing is not really an argument, it's just saying that you don't like copyright.

Similar but different.

Originally Posted by Serkat

...in private for non-commercial purposes.

I produce a copy of the game using (free) software called uTorrent in private for my own, non-commercial use.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

I produce a copy of the game using (free) software called uTorrent in private for my own, non-commercial use.

You're producing a copy of the original copyrighted instance, the binaries, the artwork, the sounds, the text etc. When you perform a musical piece, you are creating the music out of thin air. You are not physically copying something that could not otherwise be recreated. Is it that hard to understand that comparing music and software only goes so far...? For one thing, music can be abstracted to notes, but software cannot. Apples and oranges...

Originally Posted by Serkat

You're producing a copy of the original copyrighted instance, the binaries, the artwork, the sounds, the text etc. When you perform a musical piece, you are creating the music out of thin air. You are not physically copying something that could not otherwise be recreated. Is it that hard to understand that comparing music and software only goes so far...? For one thing, music can be abstracted to notes, but software cannot. Apples and oranges...

You're not creating music out of thin air. You're reproducing the original.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

You're not creating music out of thin air. You're reproducing the original.

And the difference between physically copying a set of digital files that basically only work in that specific combination and reproducing a piece of information by means of a mental process with something as basic as a set of sticks and a voice isn't in any way obvious to you?

Originally Posted by Serkat

And the difference between physically copying a set of digital files that basically only work in that specific combination and reproducing a piece of information by means of a mental process with something as basic as a set of sticks and a voice isn't in any way obvious to you?

Sounds the same to me.

Music is encoded into data (brain) and is then reproduced.
Game is encoded into data (game data) and is then reproduced.

This isn't obvious to you?

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Sounds the same to me.

Music is encoded into data (brain) and is then reproduced.
Game is encoded into data (game data) and is then reproduced.

This isn't obvious to you?

I am not a lawyer and I am not American. But I would be pretty sure that the differentiation between these two cases is covered by law, just as the necessary electronic copying processes when playing a musical track on a computer are covered by law. Copyright law differentiates between different types of copyrighted material. A mental representation of a copyrighted work is never copyright infringement, please don't be silly.