Thread: Disclosure Project (Press Conference)/Official Sources

I am sceptical about this.
Neither am I saying that I believe it nor that I don't.
But that's also besides the point: My intend is to start
a serious debate on a controversial matter- not on a
personal level, but strictly 'factual', if possible

So, I'm wondering...
what do you think of the Disclosure Projects at the National Press Club in 2001 and 2007 on here?




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That's as official as it gets, I guess.
It shouldn't be impossible to varify, no?

Below is a partial list of some of the more notable people involved in the Project:

* Nick Pope: British Ministry of Defense Official
* Dr. Roberto Pinotti: Italian UFO expert
* Astronaut Gordon Cooper
* Astronaut Edgar Mitchell
* Monsignor Corrado Balducci (deceased)
* Dr. Carol Rosin
* Dan Willis: US Navy, Communications
* Admiral Lord Hill-Norton: Five-Star Admiral, Former Head of the British Ministry of Defense (deceased)
* Gordon Creighton: Former British Foreign Service official
* Dr. Robert Wood: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer
* Dr. Alfred Webre: Former Senior Policy Analyst, Stanford Research Institute
* Denise McKenzie: Former SAIC employee
* Colonel Philip J. Corso: US Army (deceased)
* Colonel Ross Dedrickson: US Air Force/AEC (ret.)
* Lieutenant Walter Haut: US Navy
* Dr. Hal Puthoff
* Dr. Eugene Mallove
* Lieutenant Colonel Thomas E. Bearden: US Army (ret.)
* John Callahan: FAA Head of Accidents and Investigations
* Larry Warren: Security Officer, RAF Bentwaters Woodbridge, NATO
* Major George A. Filer III: US Air Force (ret.)
* John Maynard: Defense Intelligence Agency (ret.)
* Captain Robert Salas: US Air Force, SAC Launch Controller
* Don Phillips: US Air Force, Lockheed Skunkworks, design engineer/CIA contractor, worked with Kelly Johnson
* Lieutenant Colonel Charles Brown: US Air Force (ret.) Office of Special Investigations, Project Grudge
* Mark McCandlish: US Air Force, conceptual artist for Rockwell X-30 and HYSTP programs
* James Kopf: US Navy/NSA Crypto Communications
* Major General Vasily Alexeyev: Russian Air Force
(wikipedia.org)

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Also government agencies are starting to reveal files:

The first in a series of Ministry of Defence UFO files, dating back to the 1970s, have been released on The National Archives' website today, Wednesday 14 May 2008.

article
reports (pdf 1997-2008)

The Danish Air Force has opened its UFO archives, providing information on over 15,000 reported extraterrestrial sightings to the public.

article (Jan 29th 2009)

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edit: I now realized, that there is another thread. Sorry, feel free to delete or close.

Old news, free energy and stuff. I have no idea if this is real, but it's been going on for 15 years which makes this seem alittle more intresting, and so many people are involved.

UFO stands for Unidentified ALIENS!

Aliens aren't real, at least not the ones that travel from planet to planet/galaxy to galaxy.

Maybe there's some other type of being out there in other planets/galaxies, but they sure aren't traveling to other galaxies.

Do you have a source for that?
Since your statements seem so final.

I have science and logical thinking that backs me up so far. :]

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

Aliens aren't real, at least not the ones that travel from planet to planet/galaxy to galaxy.

Maybe there's some other type of being out there in other planets/galaxies, but they sure aren't traveling to other galaxies.

That sounds pretty ignorant. If not for the ice age WE would be HELL OF A LOT more advanced then we are now, maybe space age, who knows? the ice age was millions of years or something (if i am wrong correct me), you can't say we are the most advanced species in the universe JUST because we have not seen anything. I would not bet against there being a space flight type of aliens, the universe is rather big, the universe is not just our galaxy either.

Originally Posted by Xei

Free energy is bollocks, sorry.

Aliens almost definitely aren't bollocks, but I'm sceptical that any of them have anything to do with Earth, or have the capabilities either. There are some things you just can't do in the universe.

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I rather keep the debate open just incase we advance and find out things that seem impossible in todays eyes.

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

True, but what makes you believe that all aliens are highly intelligent if they exist? They could have the same IQ as a caveman.

Who says all? of course not all aliens are of the intelligent type. We are talking about the intelligent type, though.

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Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

That sounds pretty ignorant. If not for the ice age WE would be HELL OF A LOT more advanced then we are now, maybe space age, who knows? the ice age was millions of years or something (if i am wrong correct me), you can't say we are the most advanced species in the universe JUST because we have not seen anything. I would not bet against there being a space flight type of aliens, the universe is rather big, the universe is not just our galaxy either.

Way to draw random conclusions. I never said we're the most advanced, I said I don't believe there's any aliens traveling here from other galaxies. So far, as far as science is concerned, aliens aren't able to travel from galaxies to other galaxies. Unless they've figured out a way an aircraft to travel at the speed of light and not screw itself up, and they've found an unlimited fuel source.

I gave the possibility to there being life out there, but I highly doubt that if there is life out there they're aliens like Independence Day, and high-tech like that.

I never said the universe is only our galaxy either, I even mentioned galaxy to galaxy travel. The universe is theoretically infinite. There's a good chance that there's life out there, but I'm highly doubtful that that life is flying around on spaghetti saucers at 186,000MPH to come hang out with Earthlings, or other people from different planets, if there are any.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Who says all? of course not all aliens are of the intelligent type. We are talking about the intelligent type, though.

How do you know there's an intelligent type? They could be creatures that look like a big, heated up, sun dried turd with the IQ of an opossum.

Most of the time when people talk about the "aliens" that "travel" to Earth, they're talking about highly intelligent aliens. If there's a creature that's found out how to build an aircraft that can travel at the speed of light from galaxy to galaxy on some ultimate fuel source, and someone figured out how to expand it's life when traveling such a far distance, I'd consider that highly intelligent.

I've never heard of any "dumb aliens," it's always "highly intelligent aliens," or something similar.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I rather keep the debate open just incase we advance and find out things that seem impossible in todays eyes.

That's kind of what I am thinking.
I'd really like to see a more scientific and factual handling of this
subject. The debate at the national press clubs, as well as other
publications rarely appear in the mainstream media.

But I have a question to those, who think this is idiotic:
What is your explanation for what I have postet up there?
Do you just write all these people off as being insane, lieing,
desperate for attention? I don't think it really adds up, like that.

Therefore, again - there are specific claims being made, there is
a lot of information about this subject - i just don't really see why
there is no real, open discussion about it. All that leaves is speculation.

And we're getting nowhere.