Thread: Let's Study Sacred Geometry

That happens to me all the time in this thread. It's like staring into the sun: You're gonna miss something.

Got to love it when ignorant people ramble on about things they have no idea about eh?

Plus, it really hammers home the point that some people, somewhere will believe anything.

Originally Posted by pounce

Well from reading this thread sacred geometry is just about people noticing things in nature that have been known about for years - fractals, phi, golden spirals - and claiming this is somehow sacred even though the ways in which these patterns come about are well-documented and rather trivial.

There's really nothing more to say.

Would the term atomic structures make you guys happy?

No. As I pointed out there are many other shapes that complexes can form which are not platonic solids (and even so, your chemical understanding should embarrass a 3 year old... not even knowing what an element is)

And there's absolutely nothing sacred about tetrahedral or octagonal complexes. They're just the shapes taken when you minimise electron repulsions.

Pointing out arbitrary properties and calling it sacred or whatever is just fucking stupid.

But you guys are all that an more. And by more I mean dicks.

Now you're just being fucking retarded. You commented on an aspect of Chemistry, and myself, someone with degree level knowledge of it told you were talking shit. And you then claim people have less knowledge than you, someone who doesn't even understand one of the most basic terms in the subject.

Since this seems to be the thread for posting pretty pictures of made up shit, I thought that I'd contribute. This way, you can't accuse me of being off topic:


Isn't it a pretty zebra unicorn?

I'm neither a particle physicist not a microbiologist nor an astrophysicst. But you guys are all that an more. And by more I mean dicks. I have nothing to say to people who think posting "FAIL" is a form of discussion

If dismissing and not bothering to put effort into my replies to the ignorant is a typical Cusp reply, then yeah, I do that.

You know that's a pile of bollocks. I asked you a set of completely reasonable questions and you basically said 'it's above me to answer that / I read it on the internet somewhere and now I can't find it'.

There are a small number of natural objects shaped like platonic solids. The two I can think of are crystal structures and viruses. There may be a couple more.

There are however vastly more natural objects which aren't shaped like platonic solids. For a start Saturn's pole is definitely not. Do you even know what a solid is..? And then of course we have stars and flowers and animals and rocks and mountains and rivers and organic compounds and virtually every other object in the universe which is not a platonic solid.

So why do you think they are so potent..?

Look guys, I found another sacred pattern.



It has some very special properties.
You can draw it without lifting a pen from the paper.
It also looks like a house. There is smoke coming out of the chimney indicating that the tenants of the house will not freeze to death.
This shows that the alien race responsible for this pattern comes from a frozen planet.

This pattern can be found everywhere in nature. You just have to look for it.

Originally Posted by Photolysis

Got to love it when ignorant people ramble on about things they have no idea about eh?

Plus, it really hammers home the point that some people, somewhere will believe anything.

That is why they ask questions. To learn. Drop the judgment. I know it feels good to think that other people are more stupid than you, but you don't know why you believe the things you do either.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

you don't know why you believe the things you do either.

One word: Evidence

Originally Posted by Alextanium

One word: Evidence

So do you believe that consciousness is a by product of the brain? Where's the evidence? Scientists have been puzzling over this forever. Do you believe in good music? What is the evidence why some noises are good music, some is bad music, and some is just noise? And why is some noise music? What is the evidence for melody and harmony?

Do you believe is love? What is the evidence?

What is the evidence that this is not a dream?

Dannon, I am on the level you are on totally, I don't practice spirituality...but I completely understand what it is, and I'm betting you will understand what I'm about to say

I went through a period of my life when i had first started smoking weed. All through high school, I was socially anxious, that means I wasn't comfortable in social situations..at all. I was in a shell and got in a lot of trouble. I once almost had a panic attack in a social situation one time when I was 16, I was paranoid/scared and high off weed. Now, that I'm older, weed has really helped my find out who i was. When you dress a certain way, when you are sober you subconsciously think that's who you are. Culture is not our friend. Separation is not our friend. Intuition IS our friend.

Any concern over what others may think of you is a secret form of captivity, an unseen prison cell created by the false and painful belief that you are real -- and your life worthwhile -- only if others say it's so. The true individual is one who doesn't need the approval of others in order to know the peace of mind he finds in being just himself. If you don't feel like anyone loves you...love yourself.

I started smoking weed again after a one month break ( after seriously going through a rebel phase and going through a lot of shit ), I wrote down the first thoughts that came to my head when i hit the weed and got high, I read it, and instantly KNEW WHO i was, and didn't hide it, didn't avoid it, I took it at face value and it felt good knowing it. I started acting that way around other people, it feels really good. Your first thought is your intuition...your truer self....ever since i did this, I LOVED IT...it seriously is like some sort of mini-high and makes socializing fun.

Just listen to a group of people talking over lunch and you can see that the casual conversations of human beings are really fencing competitions -- one person saying something and then another person trying to top it. There is this continual tug of war, a real competition going on. Lunches in a social situation can be exhausting! Then there are our families... at a family dinner, all the old business is brought up, and everybody is competing and trying to prove that they did better than we did. Why does that go on? Why do we take part in it?

What is it that is taking place inside of any of us when there is a continual longing for this acceptance by which we will then feel approved, and in feeling approved, feel like we've finally found our real self? The fact of the matter is, anyone can look askew at us, someone can say the smallest thing to us, and all the king's horses and all the king's men can't put us back together again! The smallest barb can sink our boat.

Culture is not our friend. We're letting society shape us...we're like actors in a play...you pretend too long that your this actor and you forget your pretending. I know this from personal experience. And in my situation this comes from music..which is a part of culture. We all have to act in t his world though, to a certain degree.

If feels like we're in hell right now, a society built on who can be the most successful, have the most things, and have the most money and fame. Everybody gets so depressed because of thoughts, doing drugs JUST to be happy, ACTING a certain way just to get approval from peers..why not be happy when sober, you automatically are happy when you are your true self, relax and laugh. Act off your intuition...STOP THINKING SO MUCH, it's not who you are. Your intuition is the God in you.

It's depressing looking at everyone else, stressing to get money, and be more materialistic and egotistic. Fighting, and wars...why can't we have a world we all get along, create music and art together. I'm not saying I'm NOT materialistic and egotistic( I am to a certain degree ), but I don't let it control me..or rather control my feelings/emotions if you know what I'm saying. I'm thinking there is no end to creativity..creativity is infinite.

We are all one, being in tune with your higher self is the divine plan. THAT is 2012.

I'm really starting to think that in a world where we all where our true selves, and got along, and act our true selves in a world of peace, it would feel completely like bliss....a opiate high.

Being my true self, and acting off my intuition...i sincerely feel like I'm a light in a dark world.

I know this sounds like a lot of new-age bullshit, but trust me, coming together, and acting your true self around others definitely feels good beyond words. Sort of like a Percocet high. I don't expect most people to understand this because in this world it doesn't make sense.

STOP PRETENDING: SAY WHAT YOU FEEL, ACT THE WAY YOU FEEL, ACT THE WAY THAT MAKES YOU HAPPY

Cool, be yourself! We love you!

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

So do you believe that consciousness is a by product of the brain? Where's the evidence? Scientists have been puzzling over this forever.

No they haven't. Consciousness implies a degree of self awareness. Humans have consciousness. Dogs have consciousness. Bacteria do not. You don't have consciousness without animal life. Rocks and trees aren't conscious. The individual neurons and glial cells of your brain aren't conscious by themselves, but the network they form is. It is an emergent property of the collective network.

Notice how where ever your brain goes your consciousness seems to be there? You don't have consciousness without a brain present (don't invoke OBEs or spirits - neither has been proven, lets stick to facts). You can swap out any other organ in the human body and the personality remains intact. Let me repeat that - you can replace ANY ORGAN IN THE BODY BUT THE BRAIN and the personality of a person remains the same. Brain transplants are not viable. Why? Limited technology for a start, we can't play with nerves like that (yet). All of your long term memories are located in the hippocampus (we know this because people with damage to this area of the brain can no longer form permanent memories). Your personality is the emergent property of the collection of memories and experiences that are stored and retrieved from that lump of pink matter in your skull.

Do you believe in good music? What is the evidence why some noises are good music, some is bad music, and some is just noise? And why is some noise music? What is the evidence for melody and harmony?

Our brains are pattern recognition masters. So good infact, we see patterns that aren't even there. We're extraordinarily good at seeing faces in clouds, mountains, sidewalks, anything really. We've all played that game as kids 'what can you see in the clouds?'.

Music is no different. Our brains hear 'patterns in noise' that we call music. There are literally thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of combinations of two or more notes to play on a guitar, called a chord. However, only 200-400 of these can be played without sounding like absolute shit. This has to do with the resonance frequency that the strings vibrate at with respect to the other strings, as well as whatever came before or after it in the musical piece. Pacing also has a part to play. Typically you don't get high pitched notes played in a long drawn out fashion, and you don't make a guitar solo out of low pitched notes either.

I don't see what this has anything to do with consciousness however. Music is a beautiful thing, but that doesn't make it god-given, esoteric, or spiritual in any way. It's just mathematics in sound-waves.

Do you believe is love? What is the evidence?

I do accept that love exists because I have felt it in the past, as I would hope we all have at some point or another. Such a universal concept is hard to disprove, as there are very few individuals (sociopaths for a start) that are incapable of love or have never felt it. Whether it's love for your parents, your partner or your mythical religious icon makes no difference.

As for evidence, I read a study a year or two ago of putting people into an MRI, and having them view pictures or think intensely about the people they love most in their lives, and another group of people were told to think intensely about their love for their god or gods. Both sets of MRIs showed the same area of the brain lighting up.

We're no longer living in a time when 'prove you loved your father' is a philosophical road block or conversation stopper such as 'do you see the colour red the same way I see it?'. We live in a time where I can show you the same physiological effects of 'love' on separate people in an MRI.

Furthermore, love is a by-product of our mammalian evolution. If you actually care to learn more about this, research attachment theory in a psychology journal.

What is the evidence that this is not a dream?

Perform several reality checks. Pretty good indication there. Unless you're invoking Descartes 'evil demon' scenario in which I'm going to say you're being asinine.

Alex, so you think love is just brain patterns.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe Love CAUSES synapses in the brain and not the other way around....have you ever thought of that

Originally Posted by Alextanium

No they haven't. Consciousness implies a degree of self awareness. Humans have consciousness. Dogs have consciousness. Bacteria do not. You don't have consciousness without animal life. Rocks and trees aren't conscious. The individual neurons and glial cells of your brain aren't conscious by themselves, but the network they form is. It is an emergent property of the collective network.

Notice how where ever your brain goes your consciousness seems to be there? You don't have consciousness without a brain present (don't invoke OBEs or spirits - neither has been proven, lets stick to facts). You can swap out any other organ in the human body and the personality remains intact. Let me repeat that - you can replace ANY ORGAN IN THE BODY BUT THE BRAIN and the personality of a person remains the same. Brain transplants are not viable. Why? Limited technology for a start, we can't play with nerves like that (yet). All of your long term memories are located in the hippocampus (we know this because people with damage to this area of the brain can no longer form permanent memories). Your personality is the emergent property of the collection of memories and experiences that are stored and retrieved from that lump of pink matter in your skull.



Our brains are pattern recognition masters. So good infact, we see patterns that aren't even there. We're extraordinarily good at seeing faces in clouds, mountains, sidewalks, anything really. We've all played that game as kids 'what can you see in the clouds?'.

Music is no different. Our brains hear 'patterns in noise' that we call music. There are literally thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of combinations of two or more notes to play on a guitar, called a chord. However, only 200-400 of these can be played without sounding like absolute shit. This has to do with the resonance frequency that the strings vibrate at with respect to the other strings, as well as whatever came before or after it in the musical piece. Pacing also has a part to play. Typically you don't get high pitched notes played in a long drawn out fashion, and you don't make a guitar solo out of low pitched notes either.

I don't see what this has anything to do with consciousness however. Music is a beautiful thing, but that doesn't make it god-given, esoteric, or spiritual in any way. It's just mathematics in sound-waves.



I do accept that love exists because I have felt it in the past, as I would hope we all have at some point or another. Such a universal concept is hard to disprove, as there are very few individuals (sociopaths for a start) that are incapable of love or have never felt it. Whether it's love for your parents, your partner or your mythical religious icon makes no difference.

As for evidence, I read a study a year or two ago of putting people into an MRI, and having them view pictures or think intensely about the people they love most in their lives, and another group of people were told to think intensely about their love for their god or gods. Both sets of MRIs showed the same area of the brain lighting up.

We're no longer living in a time when 'prove you loved your father' is a philosophical road block or conversation stopper such as 'do you see the colour red the same way I see it?'. We live in a time where I can show you the same physiological effects of 'love' on separate people in an MRI.

Furthermore, love is a by-product of our mammalian evolution. If you actually care to learn more about this, research attachment theory in a psychology journal.



Perform several reality checks. Pretty good indication there. Unless you're invoking Descartes 'evil demon' scenario in which I'm going to say you're being asinine.

Very well said.
Indeed.
You argued that very intelligently.

Have you thought that the brain is the radio receiver for thoughts but the mind is the radio waves?

Your explanation of music is more like a definition than evidence, but I don't expect anyone to be able to prove it.

Reptilian love isn't love as we define it, it is sexual gratification. Birds and mammals have the sentimental emotional binding type of love. And humans usually fall into that category but some humans are capable of an initiatory love or unconditional love. I haven;t read about attachment theory. and I don't know what Descartes' evil demon scenario is. Because I think that Descartes was an idiot.

Reality checks don't prove that you are not dreaming, they only prove if you are dreaming.