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      and I don't know what Descartes' evil demon scenario is. Because I think that Descartes was an idiot.
      Right, so, you have no idea what his greatest philosophical achievement was, but you do know that whatever it was, it was crap, because Descartes was an idiot... for some reason.

      'Open mind' my ass.
      So do you believe that consciousness is a by product of the brain? Where's the evidence? Scientists have been puzzling over this forever.
      Well, there's the fact that the 'location of our stream of consciousness' corresponds to specific regions of the brain. So thinking about language causes a language region of the brain to function. There's the fact that taking drugs effects biochemistry and the rate of firing of neurons, and that this affects consciousness. There's the fact that people who suffer brain damage can often have their consciousness impaired. There's the fact that the brain consists of an extremely intricate network of neurons which send signals to each other in order to carry out cognitive functions.

      Do you want more..? :l

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      Right, so, you have no idea what his greatest philosophical achievement was, but you do know that whatever it was, it was crap, because Descartes was an idiot... for some reason.

      'Open mind' my ass.
      So, speaking of Descartes's philosophical theory of the evil daemon is his greatest philosophical achievement? Or his "I think therefore I am"? Both are just intellectual masturbation. He is one who thinks too much without living. He thinks about life without living it.

      Sure, you can propose that the physical world may be just the result of a conspiracy by a daemon to delude you into believing in an external world, like the Matrix, but we know that this is not true. It could be fun to think about as an exercise in intellectuality, but basically philosophical intellectuality is ego masturbation.

      His famous quote "I think therefore I am" goes to prove my point. It shows that he never had a glimpse of life beyond his intellect. He never had a moment of life where he could say "I am therefore I am". "I am therefore I am " would be the truth.

      He missed when he concluded that thought and the self are one.

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      You've completely missed the point.

      'I think, therefore I am' represents the ONLY thing you can know to be true in the universe - your own existence. This is a fundamental tenant of existential philosophy, and an important part of the history of philosophy.

      You display grave amounts of ignorance by dismissing it so haphazardly.

      Quote Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut View Post
      I am therefore I am
      Semantics. Nothing but semantics. The meaning of this sentence is the same as the cogito - I exist, because I am able to question my existence.
      Last edited by Sisyphus50; 10-19-2009 at 06:20 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Alextanium View Post

      'I think, therefore I am' represents the ONLY thing you can know to be true in the universe - your own existence.
      You display grave amounts of ignorance by dismissing it so haphazardly.
      I agree that the ONLY thing I can know to be true is my own existence. But thoughts are not necessarily true. People mistake thoughts for consciousness. Actually thoughts are anti-conscious. Observing your own beingness is the point, but believing in your thoughts will delude you.

      So, here we are off topic again!!! Jesus! Atheist materialists take turns engaging in debate then philosophers, but who wants to talk about sacred geometry?

      I think that philosophy is a mind trick and a counterfeit meditation. I am just for lucid consciousness. I don't want to debate philosophy on this thread. Tell me to meet you on another thread. I started one actually, meet me there: http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=85088

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      So much hostility... does it bother you so?
      This was that cult, and the prisoners said it had always existed and always would exist, hidden in distant wastes and dark places all over the world until the time when the great priest Cthulhu, from his dark house in the mighty city of R'lyeh under the waters, should rise and bring the earth again beneath his sway.

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      There wasn't hostility in that post. That was just brother Photolysis telling it how it is. Chill out man.
      Previously PhilosopherStoned

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      Quote Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned View Post
      There wasn't hostility in that post. That was just brother Photolysis telling it how it is. Chill out man.
      Just because you are highly ignorant and uninformed, is pretty hostile in my book.

      If he really wants him to listen to him, he'd better work on his approach.
      This was that cult, and the prisoners said it had always existed and always would exist, hidden in distant wastes and dark places all over the world until the time when the great priest Cthulhu, from his dark house in the mighty city of R'lyeh under the waters, should rise and bring the earth again beneath his sway.

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