Thread: Let's Study Sacred Geometry

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Nice Dannon. You said you were right-brained...that's amazing how you can play music by ear. I can to it but it's mostly simple melodies..but I feel like I"m getting better, their more complex now than they were years ago.

Speaking of Myths, Dannon, What do you think about the Atlantis and Lemuria civilizations...IF they were real. I think during that time period, right-brain and left-brain were united. A destroyed Utopia. Divers have discovered ruins and think it may be the lost civilization.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/151442...glish_edition/

I think Atlantis and Lemuria are great myths.


I don't know if it is true or not. i need more evidence.
Maybe Atlantis and Lemuria are memories of the future?
Right brained and left brained should always be untied. Unite them in yourself, and I hope the other skeptics unite it within themselves. Only both rationality and intuition can tell the truth...Who knows the truth? Not I, and Surely not the skeptics... but the truth is that... A long time ago there were advanced civilizations...

The Sphinx in Egypt was built at least 25,000 years ago. The pyramids were built much later. These are facts...

The sphinx was built BEFORE the ice age. But... SO WHAT? I don't know! All I know, is that IF... Atlantis existed like it is remembered... the SPHINX was built in that time. And the pyramids were built after Atlantis fell.

LEMURIA? That is even harder to understand.
(Now the skeptics will see that I accept the possibility of Atlantis and Lemuria ever existing so they will attack me for being unscientific and they will point out that civilization existed only for the last 10,000 years and that I am a "NEW-AGER! etc...) As if this is NEW information at all!

In fact...
There is an ancient history that is passed on orally. Find someone who knows this ANCIENT (not New-Age) history and learn from them. And whether or not something is NEW or OLD does not determine its validity.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

I think Atlantis and Lemuria are great myths.


I don't know if it is true or not. i need more evidence.

The video I posted says that Lemuria may have been found, some scientists agree.

Maybe Atlantis and Lemuria are memories of the future?

Maybe. I'm thinking it was a utopia that was destroyed. Right-brain and left-brain fully united. A heaven on earth. Why, or more importantly HOW an entire continent was destroyed is the question. Assuming that both these civilizations were real. The legend says that the survivors fled to other parts of the world, some fled to Central America making the Mayans. It's said that the ancient cultures of Egypt and the Mayas were linked with Atlantis, which in turn was linked with Lemuria. It's all interesting though.

Your right about uniting left-brain and right-brain in yourself, I've been doing this lately and it's been great.

Well, these are just stories, my friend. I find it hard to believe that scientists agree, but maybe some.

And as far as the myths go, Atlantis was far from a Utopia. They had slaves and they worshiped the left brain and technology, like some skeptics we know. In fact, some myths (but who knows how true this is or not, these are just myths) say that the Native Americans were the Atlanteans. I don't think I can agree with this.

But anyway,, the Atlanteans used technology that replaced the human mind while the Lemurians used technology that advanced the human mind. The Atlanteans settled Egypt and great Britain while the Lemurians settled Japan, China, Tibet, India, etc.

If you look at the diference between the technologies of the two hemispheres (Europe and Asia) you will see that Europe is definately far more left brained and suprerior in logic and rationality. The Atlantean legacy has created the calculator.

However, the Lemurain legacy in Asia has developed Intuition and creativity to a much greater degree. Asia has produced the ABACUS.

Now the difference between an abacus and a calculator is that you don't have to use your brain to use a calculator. But you have to use your brain to use an abacaus. And an Abacus is actually a lot more faster than a calculator..

Now, let's get a little NEW AGEY here. I am not afraid...

The NEW AGE folks say that the Grays are the ALIENS that come and ABDUCT people who have the UNIVERSAL BLOOD TYPE. So that they can Perform experiments to try to isolate the GENES of EMOTIONS. It is interesting to note that Emotions belong to the RIGHT BRAIN. Well, these aliens, as the MYTH goes, have lost their emotions and need to find them to survive. So they are looking in our genes. (which is a very rational way to look for emotions). Look at the story here. Look at the myth. Don't worry if it is fact or not. It is a story. I admit, it is hard to believe, it probably isn't true.
But, it is a story that speaks to our subconscious.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Well, these are just stories, my friend. I find it hard to believe that scientists agree, but maybe some.

And as far as the myths go, Atlantis was far from a Utopia. They had slaves and they worshiped the left brain and technology, like some skeptics we know. In fact, some myths (but who knows how true this is or not, these are just myths) say that the Native Americans were the Atlanteans. I don't think I can agree with this.

But anyway,, the Atlanteans used technology that replaced the human mind while the Lemurians used technology that advanced the human mind. The Atlanteans settled Egypt and great Britain while the Lemurians settled Japan, China, Tibet, India, etc.

true, Atlantis was probably left-brained, and Lemuria was the right brain and left brain united utopia. But I read somewhere that Atlantis may have been the alien city, during that time the Annunaki ruled. On Wikipedia it says that Lemuria may have been the homeland of reptilian-like beings..or the Annunaki. These theories keep contradicting themselves.

If you look at the diference between the technologies of the two hemispheres (Europe and Asia) you will see that Europe is definately far more left brained and suprerior in logic and rationality. The Atlantean legacy has created the calculator.
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yea i always thought that the planet earth has it's own left brain right brain, left brain being western hemisphere, and right brain being eastern hemisphere...in the east is where all the mystical and spiritual knowledge is.

Who knows about Lemuria and Atlantis really....I figure any real truth is within, accessing the universal mind. Which is incredibly hard seeing as you have to meditate deeply with no thoughts for an extended period of time. I've tried this, but every time I lay down and meditate and close off conscious thoughts, there is a another layer of thoughts under that, the subconscious thoughts..while it may not sound like any thing is there, it's there all right, you sort of feel them subtly. Like you can think a thought in a meditative state, but it's not conscious it just kinda, quick, like it was forced into my head or something. CAN you even stop subconscious thoughts? I figure the only way to truly do this is to meditate within a lucid dream seeing as your are already in a subconscious state.

Maybe you can do this by concentrating on mandalas constructed using sacred geometry...while you won't see a mandala move consciously, a deeper part of you, an altered perception definitely see's the mandala moving. This is supposed to cut down the left brain analytical chattering down...and give the chance for the right-brain to dominate.

You cannot actively stop thoughts for any length of time with an act of will.
Various meditation techniques are to focus the mind on only one thought or observing things passively. The point if you are observing thoughts is to just observe them passively without identifying with them, without clinging or avoiding them. Just to let them float through your mind like clouds in the sky. Over time they mellow out. But the point is to become aware of who you are beyond the thoughts. You do not have to stop thoughts to do this.
A good meditation technique is to observe your breathing. If you find yourself distracted by thoughts just go back to observing the breath without thinking about it.

Yes, Atlantis and Lemuria could just be myths or possibly actual historical places before the last ice age. We don't know. Anyway, since we don't have any evidence all we have is myths.

As a metaphor, the sky and clouds is good. The mind is like the sky, the clouds are thoughts. Normally we are living in a cloud of thoughts. Through meditation you just stop pulling the thoughts to you, you just let them flow. Eventually you will get a glimpse of the clear blue sky beyond. This is what is known as Satori.

By and by, there will be more space between each cloud. The space is what to pay attention to, not the clouds. The space between thoughts is where a Buddha is born. Eventaully you will be able to see a thought coming from a long way off. Your mind will be opened and spacious. This space is Samadhi.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

You cannot actively stop thoughts for any length of time with an act of will.
Various meditation techniques are to focus the mind on only one thought or observing things passively. The point if you are observing thoughts is to just observe them passively without identifying with them, without clinging or avoiding them. Just to let them float through your mind like clouds in the sky. Over time they mellow out. But the point is to become aware of who you are beyond the thoughts. You do not have to stop thoughts to do this.
A good meditation technique is to observe your breathing. If you find yourself distracted by thoughts just go back to observing the breath without thinking about it.

Of course you can.

It is the goal in many form of meditations. When the thoughts cease, I am just a being. It is experiencing that.

Groups

Let's begin with the definition of a group. We will write our groups as (G, *) where G is a set (this is just a collection of things) and * is a binary operation on G. This means that * takes two elements of G and returns a third. Furthermore, (G, *) must satisfy three axioms:

1. associativity: for all a, b and c in G, (a*b)*c = a*(b*c)
2. identity element: there exists an element e in G such that for all elements a of G, e*a = a
3. existence of inverses: For every element a of G, there exists an element which we write as a^-1 or as -a such that a*a^-1 = e.

Examples of Groups

1. (Z, +)
   
   Z is the set of integers. + is the usual addition of integers. 0 is the identity element, if a is an integer than -a is it's inverse as a + (-a) = 0.
   
2. (R⁺, *)
   
   R⁺ is the set of real numbers x such that x > 0. * is the usual multiplication of real numbers. 1 is the identity and x^-1 = 1/x. Then x*1/x = 1
   
3. (Z[X], +)
   
   Z[X] is the set of polynomials in the variable X with integer coefficients. + is the component wise addition of polynomials. For example, if f = a_nXⁿ + ... + a₁X + a₀ and g = b_nXⁿ + ... + b₁X + b₀, then f + g = (a_n + b_n)Xⁿ + ... + (a₁ + b₁)X + (a₀ + b₀). If terms are missing, then just fill in with zeros. One can add polynomials of any degree. Then the identity element is just the zero polynomial with all of it's coefficients equal to zero. If f has coefficients a_i then the coefficients of -f are -a_i. Then f + (-f) = 0 where zero in this context is the zero polynomial and not the number zero.

The Dihedral Groups

Now we can get to a little geometry. Let's define a symmetry of a shape to be something that I can do to the shape without changing it. It's not too formal but I can clean it up a little if anybody wants. For example, if I have a circle and I rotate it around it's center, that is a symmetry of the circle: unless some mark is placed on the circle, there is no way to know that it has been rotated. Given a geometric shape and the set of it's symmetries, lets define a binary operation. If a and b are symmetries of our shape (let's call it C), then if I do a and then do b that is a symmetry well. This operation is called composition. For example, if I have a circle and I rotate it 30 degrees and then rotate it -10 degrees, it's like I rotated it 20 degrees.

This operation and the set of symmetries form a group. I'll leave the verification of the details as an exercise: real math is not a spectator sport.

The n-th Dihedral group is the set of symmetries of the regular n-gon along with the binary operation of composition. Let's call the group (D_n, *). Can you find all of it's elements if we take n to be 3?

If there is any curiosity, we can continue.

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

Of course you can.

It is the goal in many form of meditations. When the thoughts cease, I am just a being. It is experiencing that.

Have you had any success with ceasing thoughts...I try this while laying down but it just doesn't seem to hold out for that long. I just get tired of laying in one position for so long, maybe I should stretch next time.

I read if you can meditate and cut down conscious thoughts for just a little while, and ask yourself a question, your subconscious will answer...but not in words, in emotions, but you still can understand like it was in words. If you can successfully communicate with the subconscious you won't need subliminal messages to change your subconscious. I think it's supposed to be maybe a dream guide or spirit guide or something.

There's a really slow, but interesting discussion about this on ld4all.
The article about communicating with subconscious is here though:
http://www.psipog.net/art-communicating-with-subc.html

It goes something like:

1.) Meditate ( close off conscious thoughts for as long as you can ) until you are deeply relaxed
2.) Ask yourself a question
3.) Observe the silence
4.) Subconscious will answer back in a lump of emotions, in which you'll know what it means.

If you can do this you can just ask your subconscious to give you a lucid dream, or tell it to. And it will automatically do it. Just like subliminal messages except you can communicate directly. This is how affirmations work, and being able to wake yourself up at a specific time without an alarm clock. These affirmations go straight to the subconscious.

I had an experience with this but it was brief, very brief. It takes a considerate amount of concentration to close of conscious thoughts, since we're predominately left-brained(analytical).