Is karma real?

[Chewnie91]

Ive always wondered weather or not karma is real. Part of me wants to believe that it is and part wants to believe it's not. I think it's not because if we do something bad, then we look for bad events to happen to us. So in a way, it's ones perspective. What's your opinions?

[Dizko]

Define Real.

[no-Name]

Define Real. DEFINE DEFINE Karma is a spiritual and personal thing, it's selfless, not selfish. There's no way to prove or abuse it, it's just a thought. Meh, a flawed thought, in my opinion~

[Chewnie91]

define real? that was a pretty dumb response, no offense. And basically your saying its ones own thought pattern. Thats what i think it is. But i've had some pretty crazy examples of good AND bad karma that happen to me.

[Dizko]

Wow calm down lads. I was just trying to improve my understanding of the way you might think about what 'real' actually means. Here I thought i was on a site of open mindedness, where people think about things on a sub-superficial level. Sorry, I guess.

[cygnus]

karma just means action. actions have effects. so yes, karma is real.

[LucidFlanders]

No idea if it's real or not, you cannot prove it's real no matter what unless you can go back in time a second.

[Catbus]

There's no way to say whether it's real or not. I personally don't believe in it, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. However, the way I view it is that, by association, if you do a lot of "good" things and something "good" happens, it's easy to blame the coincidence on Karma. And likewise, if you do something "bad" and shortly thereafter something "bad" happens to you, it's easy to assume that Karma caused it. I do feel the need to say that in my opinion if Karma does indeed exist then Hitler would have had a much more painful death then just a shot to the head.

[Black_Eagle]

It is real in the sense that if you do something bad that is against the law and the police find out you go to jail.

[deathxel]

define real? that was a pretty dumb response, no offense. And basically your saying its ones own thought pattern. Thats what i think it is. But i've had some pretty crazy examples of good AND bad karma that happen to me. actually, your response is dumb. he has a point; real as in does karma affect the lives of people, or real as in does it affect people's perception and belief to a degree that it exists in their beliefs and therefore experiences. the original post is also badly phrased. did you expect us to be able to respond with a factual true/false? I think you meant 'do you believe it is real'. cygnus - what are you on about? how is karma action?

[deathxel]

No idea if it's real or not, you cannot prove it's real no matter what unless you can go back in time a second. that doesnt make sense. going back in time a second doesnt do anything, wats wrong with you? CatBus has the best response here.

[LucidFlanders]

that doesnt make sense. going back in time a second doesnt do anything, wats wrong with you? CatBus has the best response here. Because karma happens right away? so many times a second later after i do something, karma or whatever you wanna call it happens.

[deathxel]

wat will going back in time solve? you just experienced 1 second ago, a second ago.. why would u need to back in time? it still isnt very logical. plus, karma is not necessarily instantly after. the theory of karma, that is.

[grasshoppa]

karma just means action. actions have effects. so yes, karma is real. I like this. Essentially karma is cause and effect. You do something, and perhaps the effects are felt in 20 minutes, or 20 years. Perhaps the effects come first and the cause come later in some cases. Who knows how it works...but it seems to be a universal law or something of the sort. People are who they are based upon their past actions. For example: You being an introvert or extrovert is an effect having multiple causes, slowly causing you to become more introverted or extroverted. I don't know for sure, but it seems to be real.

[Taosaur]

cygnus - what are you on about? how is karma action? I think he's pointing out that the magical justice force that the OP is asking about is a purely Western invention with little relation to karma as understood by Hindus and Buddhists. Action forms habit. Habit rules action. Action and habit together determine the character of your world.

[LucidFlanders]

wat will going back in time solve? you just experienced 1 second ago, a second ago.. why would u need to back in time? it still isnt very logical. plus, karma is not necessarily instantly after. the theory of karma, that is. so many times a second later after i do something That about wraps it up.

[deathxel]

yes but what i dont understand is, you already know what happened 1 second ago why do u need to go back? sry for the confusion

[juroara]

karma isn't defined as 'good' or 'bad' karma is also known as the golden rule. do unto others as you would have then do onto you. because literally in this understanding, it will be done to you. it's also been described as the universal mirror. the universe reflecting your thoughts and actions back to you. so karma is cause and effect and also thought-manifestation you can't really take karma out of its spiritual perspective the belief of karma also comes along the belief of multiple life times, among other things if you murder in this life time, it doesn't mean you will be murdered in this life time. but you could be murdered in another life time. in a life time where you were 'innocent'. this becomes why so many buddhists seek a non-violent life style. not just for others, but for the future. that's why you can't really hold karma to the belief of only one life time. it doesn't work unless you believe in the before or after. karma becomes why you must reincarnate. to balance karma. after balancing a certain amount of karma, you don't have to be reincarnated again. balancing karma doesn't mean you have to sit around and wait for a load of bad crap to happen to you. you can balance karma by raising above the thoughts that created the karma. which is must faster and the only way to stop creating karma this is where forgiveness comes in. forgiveness becomes the ultimate weapon to defeat bad karma. both forgiving others and most importantly, yourself. karma is not instant. it can store up over time. but there is the belief these days, that karma is speeding up with time. as is everything else involving our evolution. that within this generation, karma will continue to speed up. faster and faster and faster and faster. and eventually karma will become nearly instant. which becomes apart of some cosmic unveiling process. because with nearly instant karma, it will be harder for deception to remain. not just the kind of deception we see in the corporate world, but also our own self delusions. that's why its an unveiling process. but most people aren't ready for bubbles to be bursted. we experience something similar every night when we dream. in a dream we don't have to wait years to see the outcome of our thoughts. they almost always happen within moments. and dreams can become pretty chaotic because of that right? but the overall point I am making is, you can't really take karma outside of its spiritual understanding. karma is more about the wheels of reincarnation, thought-manifestation, and higher states of being than it is about good or bad things happening to you

[LucidFlanders]

yes but what i dont understand is, you already know what happened 1 second ago why do u need to go back? sry for the confusion Because alot of times when i do a bad action the very next second i get my karma. Obne time i fell off my chair when laughing at someone's mistake. If i went back a second, and did not laugh perhaps the chair wont tip over and i'll know if karma is real or not.

[deathxel]

i understand now. however you would not know whether it was karma that did it or simply the fact that a certain action caused another to occur. for example, if someone falls in the middle of the street and you go to help them, you might get hit by a bus, and it would not be karmas fault because you were doing something good. so the same could apply in any situation where you do something bad.

[cygnus]

I think he's pointing out that the magical justice force that the OP is asking about is a purely Western invention with little relation to karma as understood by Hindus and Buddhists. thank you.

[cygnus]

we experience something similar every night when we dream. in a dream we don't have to wait years to see the outcome of our thoughts. they almost always happen within moments. and dreams can become pretty chaotic because of that right? good point. another thing::: karma operates at different levels/scales. for example, individual, national, and human karma. (sorry for dbl. post)