Collapse of the U.S. economy.

[Kuhnada29]

I'm not an economist so a lot this stuff i don't understand. Basically, from what I understand, their printing too much money which devalues the dollar. People are losing their jobs, and people are losing their houses because they can't pay the mortgage. So Obama is trying to print more money to pay back other country's, cause we're in huge debt...I think they said we owe like 3 trillion or something like that? If your printing your own money..why do you owe someone else? I obviously know you can't put new money in the cycle and everything balances out. I've heard people in California are not getting their money back for their tax returns. The government is basically giving them an "I.O.U.", delaying the people's money. Is it just me or is this country going completely broke. People are saying that we are headed for a complete collapse and into a depression worse than the one in 1929. My mother wants to rent a new house ( you know? move? )...i told her it wasn't such a good idea because the economy is so fucked up. I was discussing this with my cousin last night, she said now would be the best time to rent a house..before shit gets worse. My mother owns the house she is at now, so basically she was thinking of renting the house out to someone she knows, but with the way things are going now, I think she should just stay at the house because if SHTF, she can't lose the house and at least won't be homeless.

[Zhaylin]

I don't understand money at all. Hubby did his best to explain it to me last night, but I still don't quite "get it". Internally, I don't understand at all- but nationally, I do understand. I asked him: "Suppose I use pebbles as money. I say this color means so much and another color means so much. As long as everyone agrees that they mean that, the pebbles (or paper) ARE the money." He went on to explain that there isn't any more pebbles. The government took everyone's pebbles and gave them IOU's." In my faulty line of thinking, it doesn't matter if there's gold to back up the paper. To me, we're bartering paper for products. It doesn't matter that's it's paper because everyone thinks it's valuable. But nationally.... when governments want literal gold, silver or other valuables to pay off our debts to them and we don't have it, we're in trouble. Our paper isn't valuable to them and it's worthless. As a country we're something 379% in debt as opposed to 200-something % back in the Great Depression. Hubby's been trying to buy ammo for his guns, but he can't find any anywhere. He says hell is coming- another French Revolution but on American soil. He's a bit of a conspiracy nut, so I take his ravings with a grain of salt. But it's still very sobering. I would not want to be moving into a new house at this time!!! In fact, I want to hunker down and learn how to be self-sustaining. At our Farm, we have well water and a sistern (sp), but I need some sort of generator that's not run on gas and the likes. Even I feel that we are in for some VERY rough times.

[grasshoppa]

Prepare for Zombies and Anarchy. Buy machetes, and learn Karate.

[Kuhnada29]

Your hubby is smart! He knows what is going on and is preparing for what is to come. I also want to get me a gun. The economy WILL collapse, and when SHTF, it's going to complete chaos. I'm talking civil unrest. I'm talking worse than the great depression. The government is acting like they don't know what's going on..they are just spending, spending, spending....putting us MORE in debt. ---------------- Now for the conspiracy side...I personally think that the government is doing this purposely...collapsing the economy deliberately so that the dollar will be worth nothing..and so they can use the new currency called "the amero" and form this secret "North American Union" which is basically removing the borders of Canada and Mexico..making it into just one government for all 3 countries. ----------------- Truckers have made videos showing special armored vehicles on highways that they don't think are going to Iraq or Afghanistan..they look like their built to move through large crowds. If all this is the case..which it probably is. We need to stop spending money on useless shit and start stocking up on food. There are great videos on youtube that show you easy ways of making fire...making a stove...etc, very useful stuff to know when this shit finally happens. Even glenn beck is starting to get it. Detroit right now is looking really bad...its basically in a depression, not recession. California is also just about bankrupt. And the sad part about all of this...people don't even know! Like they literally do not know what is going on. Still living in the fantasy world that everything will be ok and refuse to believe that the way we live now is about to be changed permanently. History repeats itself. I'm not trying to be a scaremonger, just letting you konw the reality of things. This way you can be prepared mentally and physically when/if this does happen. Because the ones caught by surprise are the one's that are going to panic..and riot.

[Zhaylin]

I always thought some of what hubby says is widely known by everyone, but it may be part of his conspiracy views? He says that the UN is pushing for a one-world economy/currency. I already have a shot gun or rifle (I still can't tell them apart *rolls eyes at self*) and a 38 Special... but I have very little ammo for both. I regret practicing with my kids in the yard now that ammo is so scarce... but at least they know the basics of shooting now. We also have 83+ acres of mostly woodland in the deep country Hills of West Virginia. That's where our "farm" is. But I no nothing about farming and we have no livestock (it's named thus because generations past, it used to be owned by farmers lol). I just hope my kids are home before the trouble really picks up (3 of them will be home by the end of this summer, the other is in a "mental facility (for lack of a better term) until the State deems him fit to be released).

[Universal Mind]

But Obama is just so wonderful, and he is just so.. wow, he is, I mean just watch Obama. Look at that smile. So much charm, such a skilled speaker. Have you immersed yourself in his speaking skills? He talks with such grace and beauty. His smile and his voice will save the world. And he is the first black president! Wooohooooooo, that's what fucking matters when we are facing Great Depression II and nuclear terrorism!!!! Yay Obama!!!! :yumdumdoodledum:

[Kuhnada29]

Hey i really like that quote in your sig. "People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." So true. Yes it's true, they are trying to form a one-world government and currency. I don't think this is conspiracy...i mean the suits made comments on national tv about "new world order"..it even came out of bush's mouth on tv. Oh i could tell you some conspiracy stuff...but I won't go into here. The only good thing coming from this..i mean well, we'll let go of our material possessions and start loving one another and being with our families and friends more, which is what we REALLY should have been doing the whole time. I think I'm going to learn how to farm...and grow food and marijuana lol. It's also good that you live in a rural area, i used to live in the city..and it's probably going to get hectic in that area. I mean, can you imagine how the college kids are going to react when they find out that their future has been shattered? That the American Dream they we're promised is out the window? All of that studying for nothing.....their isn't going to be a job waiting for them when they graduate. They say the unemployment rate in detroit is about 20%, but people tell me that they are lying..and higher. Couple this with the fact that it's continuously increasing. I hope all this isn't going to happen..but with the way things are going it looks like we're headed straight down that road. UM: I'm thinking we haven't had a REAL President since John F. Kennedy. I mean look at this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdimK1onR4o The last 2 president's we've had, including Obama, have been nothing but comedians and entertainers. And they've lied and contradicted themselves. I read somewhere that it's best to buy some gold/silver, since the dollar will be worthless soon.

[Jeff777]

My mother wants to rent a new house ( you know? move? )...i told her it wasn't such a good idea because the economy is so fucked up. I was discussing this with my cousin last night, she said now would be the best time to rent a house..before shit gets worse. My mother owns the house she is at now, so basically she was thinking of renting the house out to someone she knows, but with the way things are going now, I think she should just stay at the house because if SHTF, she can't lose the house and at least won't be homeless. I think what your mother wants to do is risky, however, - could be well worth it. Your mother is wanting to move into an apartment/condo/studio with a rent payment (presumably) lesser than the mortgage/utilities bill each month. She will also be renting out her home which will pick up a stream of passive income. Translated that means your mom will be making more money while simultaneously reducing her expenses. I encourage her to do it.

[spockman]

I think what your mother wants to do is risky, however, - could be well worth it. Your mother is wanting to move into an apartment/condo/studio with a rent payment (presumably) lesser than the mortgage/utilities bill each month. She will also be renting out her home which will pick up a stream of passive income. Translated that means your mom will be making more money while simultaneously reducing her expenses. I encourage her to do it. Yeah, it's very 'Rich Dad, Poor Dad.' Apparently, we aren't supposed to save money and live below our means and diversify our investments, but stock it all up on returning assets... Who knew?

[ExoByte]

---------------- Now for the conspiracy side...I personally think that the government is doing this purposely...collapsing the economy deliberately so that the dollar will be worth nothing..and so they can use the new currency called "the amero" and form this secret "North American Union" which is basically removing the borders of Canada and Mexico..making it into just one government for all 3 countries. ----------------- LOL! Are you serious? You have no idea what the North American Union is do you? Do some damn research before you spew your bile and misinformation. I don't agree with the NAU either or the Amero, but at least I understand it. And it is definitely not a secret, its been the subject on many mainstream news outlets more than once. The North American Union would be similar to the European Union, and the Amero similar to the Euro. It does not remove any country's borders, only creates a new, secondary, border around all of North America creating a sort of Continental Soveriegnty. North America is not united under one, single government body, and every country retains their own government. I do believe this is bad. I do believe it can be used as a stepping stone to removal of sovereignty, can be used as a staging post for a singular government, and that we aren't being told everything about this union. But potential is not purpose. Get your damn facts straight before you speak. Spreading misinformation is going to do nothing to help anyone.

[Alric]

The U.S. doesn't print its own money. The federal reserve prints our money. Which is a private company, with some governmental controls over it. To be honest, our country has probably been bankrupt for years now. The government has done nothing to attempt to correct the problem and so it only grows worse and worse. Zhaylin, let me explain it this way. Lets use your pebble example. Everyone agrees to use the pebbles. Well none of them know about the guy who has an entire quarry full of pebbles, billions of pebbles just sitting there. Everyone 'thinks' the pebbles are worth something, but in reality they are so common that their meaningless. Now the person who owns the quarry slowly starts to introduce more and more pebbles into the market. No one notices, especially when the town grows bigger and the pebbles are spread out between more people. But prices start to raise. Your tv is no longer worth 2 red pebbles its worth 7 red pebbles. Eventually they flood the market and the pebbles become so common their totally useless. No one wants the pebbles anymore, because they can't buy anything? I have a tub full of blue pebbles why would I sell my car for a couple more? Its just not worth it. So prices raise out of control and eventually the economy crashes. Thats exactly what the government does. Money doesn't grow on trees, but paper does. Which is why they can print an unlimited amount of money. When they release that money into the market, your money becomes worth less, because its so much more common. When money was based on gold and silver. There was a limit. 1 paper dollar equal 1 ounce of gold. So its paper but there was always 1 ounce of gold for each piece. Now its not based on anything. You can print it unlimited, which causes the problem. The money only has a value because people think the government can pay it back. They think the government is good for it. That you can turn in a dollar and get something of equal value. The problem is the government isn't good for it because we are in such a massive debt. If people ever realize that the government isn't good for it, the system would crash. As for The north american union, it is a secret in a way. Even though its common news, and people should know about it, most people do not really know whats going on. Most of the stuff goes on with little reported about it. Which is why the government keeps moving forwards with its plans to create it even though when told about it 99% of american's hate the idea.

[Zhaylin]

Wow, Alric! Thanks for the explanation!! I do understand now. Regarding gold... hubby's been making himself miserable, watching the price of gold rise more and more. He desperately wants to buy some but the miser in him cringes lol. I tell him to either buy some or stop watching the market He has a Fort Knox Safe in his basement filled with guns, silver bars, a few gold coins and a tad bit of platnum but he wants more. He's been collecting the stuff all his life and he's now 66 years old. But the kicker his (and I HOPE he was joking) he's not sure he remembers the combo for the safe :rofl: He always tries to convert most of his money into antique art glass that can be sold in a pinch and he operates out of several different banks. He's worried about keeping his creature comforts. Me? I have about $30. to my name and my computer is my only true creature comfort. I think about surviving, not maintaining a lifestyle that could be gone tomorrow. I've lost everything (materially) before so I'm not overly concerned. I don't even watch or read the news most of the time. It's too depressing...

[SpecialInterests]

lawl. The United States of America was lonnggggg ago bought sold and paid for. It's just a matter of playing out the end game now. I say sit back, relax, and enjoy this fucking circus.

[Kuhnada29]

lawl. The United States of America was lonnggggg ago bought sold and paid for. It's just a matter of playing out the end game now. I say sit back, relax, and enjoy this fucking circus. lol so you understand. People still actually "trust" the government....and the constitution is pretty much out the window. And I don't think you want to just sit, back and relax. I mean..do you even know what the end game is? It ain't pretty.

[Hercuflea]

The US has gone pass the point of return. We as patriots can and should do whatever we possibly can to ease the crisis and reign in our government that is beyond its constitutional bounds, but the crash IS inevitable. No empire in the history of the human race has ever lasted for long after it began to expand, conquer, and undermine the unalienable rights of the people who created it for the sole purpose of expansion. However, I believe our situation in this time is different from that of the Romans, the Mongols, The English, etc. because we now have an "agreement between the people" of several countries, called the United Nations, which is undermining the sovereignty of the United States and of all of the other member countries. The United Nations was never approved by Congress, and was successfully implemented by globalist elites after World War 2, this being their second try after President Wilson was unable to organize the League of Nations. Now that the United Nations are in power, and do direct many of the foreign policies of the United States, such as the fact that we will go to war merely by a UN Resolution rather than listening to the Congress and asking for a declaration of war, the elites are moving faster and faster towards the implementation of a one world currency. They do this by slowly climbing up the ladder, consolidating first the currencies of the several continents, such as consolidating the European currencies into Euros, and soon the North American Currencies into ameros. By collapsing the dollar, they will then have an excuse to ask the countries of North America to join their currencies into one, the Amero, and most people will go along with this blatant disregard for sovereignty and liberty.

[Kuhnada29]

Hercuflea..your RIGHT on the money. Your smart! A lot of people are still asleep and have been asleep for so long they have no idea what's ahead. That's why the elitists have been making so much progress..we've been so distracted by mainstream news, mainstream science, video games, television, etc. But the elitists own the video game companies, the mass media, banks and corporations. So they played a good hand. But it was an inevitable hand, they have the money..and money = power. Just wondering how much more time we have before the collapse finally hits rock bottom and we're fully into the depression and civil unrest breaks out. There are already some riots that happened in Canada and China.

[Hercuflea]

Your smart! Lol But anyways, i dont know what the timetable will be on when the SHTF, but it will happen. I think we are able to ease the situation by some degree because of the state sovereignty bills that have been passing recently, but they really dont mean anything unless there is some force behind them. There is one way for the Feds to be beaten before they even begin the takeover: The States must declare their sovereignty under the 10th Amendment and demand that the federal government cease and desist its unconstitutional meddlings, departments, actions, etc. If the Federal government is informed by the states that it has no right to declare martial law on the citizens, then either it will fight back, or it will go back into its place. Bottom line: The Fed has no power/authority/right over anything other than what is specifically granted to it by the Constitution. Everything else belongs to the States. Oh and by the way I believe that joining the UN was an act of treason.

[spockman]

Mind sharing your political party or lack of one, hercule? As a libertarian, I'm right with you man. De-regulation is the direction we should be taking not the other way around. I'd explain myself, but I'm a little busy and others have articulated those points well. Martial law is a tad ridiculous. 'You have these certain, unalienable rights granted by the government to protect you from the government. Unless, of course, the government doesn't feel like it.'

[Kuhnada29]

If the Federal government is informed by the states that it has no right to declare martial law on the citizens, then either it will fight back, or it will go back into its place. This is why the elite deliberately crashed the economy because that will give them the perfect excuse to implement martial law....when civil unrest breaks out, and even still people will be begging for martial law at this point..violence will be through the roof. And it will also give them an excuse to mow down large crowds with machine guns. That's why the best thing will be to stock up on food, stay out of dodge, and rough it out for a while until it's still safe to come back out. Hercu, it's pretty much guaranteed that all utilities will be cut off right? You know, electricity, water, etc. I can't help but see a civil war coming out of this...it's a very scary thought and wish it wasn't like this....they way we're living now is paradise compared to whats coming.

[Alric]

Well buying gold is good even if their isn't a total collapse. Since gold tends to keep is value and it will always keep some of its value even of the dollar disappears. So its a good safety net. Buying extra food and storing it always good, because of natural disasters, and food shortages can happen even in good economy and political situation. Plus you always eat food so it will never go to waste if things stay good. And really everyone should own atleast one gun for self defense. Most of the stuff you do to plan for the worst possible case situations, are stuff that will help you during minor problems, and even have uses during the good times. Even if you think stuff like that is highly unlikely, it never hurts to prepare.

[Hercuflea]

I have been thinking lately that even if they do bring in martial law, they will not be able to hold it for long, plus they will only at best be able to take the largest cities in each state. They just merely do not have the manpower to put martial law down on the entire country. I think, i might be wrong, but i think there are probably about 1 million people TOTAL in the United States Armed Forces, and that is counting all of the reserves. Divide that by 50, and they only have 20,000 troops for each state, and that's assuming all of the reserves show up and all of the troops comply with orders to tyrannize Americans. Even if 1% of the population of the US fights back, we will have 3 times as many people than they will. Add to that the fact that they are going to have to find something to do with all of the people that dont fight back, like putting them in FEMA camps and whatnot, they will be busy with that. As for me, I will never run and hide. That used to be my plan but i have realized that that would be totally allowing my country/state to be handed over to globalist elites whose main goal is to rape, pillage, murder, and ultimately control. If ever there is an attack on our liberties/Constitutions, I will rise to defend them. PS: and i hope everyone else will too because that will make things a lot easier

[DarkLucideity]

I think it's funny how everybody in the world is being controlled by a small bunch of people, and have almost no hope of fighting back. I admire those people. Plus I'd like to learn from them and apply it.

[Kuhnada29]

I have been thinking lately that even if they do bring in martial law, they will not be able to hold it for long, plus they will only at best be able to take the largest cities in each state. They just merely do not have the manpower to put martial law down on the entire country. i also thought about that. i hear their bringing foreign troops over here also. i feel you though, i'd like to fight back to. My uncle im staying with right now is in the u.s. army..so i wonder how that plays out, what if they assign him to martial law patrol. Obama is taking all guns by the way. it's quite sad that the government is becoming the enemy....it's not like it used to be where the government cares about the people...now it's like their a bunch crack addicts, their just worried about theirselves..or should i say the elite. pojmaster: learn from them? are you kidding? they want you dead. there is hope of fighting back if enough people wake the fuck up and stop sleepwalking.

[Zhaylin]

Hubby says all the states are slowly bringing their troops home to defend the sovereignty of each state I went to Wal-mart earlier and I had to rub it in with hubby because I found ONE box of 100 38 Special rounds. They were completely sold out of 45's. I'm politically neutral because of my religious beliefs. I want to be armed for hunting. I need to buy some sort of lock box though that's waterproof/rust proof and bury it somewhere in the woods for emergency stockpiling.. I feel bad for people in the cities. At least we country folk have a shot at surviving because of farming, fishing, hunting. And there's a lot of areas to "get lost" in- natural caves, forests etc. Hubby found some info on the net that has a change guide. Supposedly, coins made before the 60's are more valuable (silver coins and wheat pennies). He says that even today, current pennies are worth about 5 cents because of the material in them (zinc, I think he said). When he gives me the addy I'll post it here. I said that's all fine and good, but in the real world, not many people may be aware of the value and the earlier minted coins could be just as worthless. Who knows...

[DarkLucideity]

They don't want me dead. They want you dead. They don't want me dead because they need slaves who are intelligent but won't fight back. Of course I'd like to learn from people who can manage to make their lives the greatest possible. Having everyone else in your species bow to your whim? Win. Listen, I'm not going to fight something whose strength is impossible to determine. But from what I've seen so far, I'm not about to get myself killed or put into a concentration camp. If other people want to fight they can fight. But I will always pick the stronger side. Also, for you, wouldn't the best way to fight the NWO or whoever be to infiltrate their ranks? They're the ones with guns... so become a soldier or something. That's for you. I'll sit back and enjoy my slavery, thank you very much.