Thread: "Absolutely torture."

They could never wipe us out. They do not have the weapons nor the man power to even attempt such a thing. That is a ridiculous claim. The fact is terrorism is really a minor threat to our lives. People are far more worried about losing their job than being attacked by terrorists, and they should be. The chances of being attack are slim to none, while there is a very real chance they could lose their job in this economy.

If you think being woken up early in the morning is torture then this conversation is pretty much over. You are so far gone you do not even living in reality anymore.

Originally Posted by Alric

They could never wipe us out. They do not have the weapons nor the man power to even attempt such a thing. That is a ridiculous claim. The fact is terrorism is really a minor threat to our lives. People are far more worried about losing their job than being attacked by terrorists, and they should be. The chances of being attack are slim to none, while there is a very real chance they could lose their job in this economy.

If you think being woken up early in the morning is torture then this conversation is pretty much over. You are so far gone you do not even living in reality anymore.

Counter the counterpoints I have already made or else drop it. You quit debating a few posts ago.

Originally Posted by aaronasterling

Thanks for keeping this thread entertaining. LMAO.

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You should make an argument. You haven't even so much as said that my point is false. What I said is a fact. Now couple the physical pain, which parallels the general PHYSICAL pain of waterboarding, with the extreme horror of a criminal trial. Then voila... a parallel to waterboarding. If you can't counter that point, don't waste thread space. You are spinning your wheels in the mud and acting like a 12 year old who thinks he's cool because he threw out an empty insult. Let's see what you've got. I haven't seen it yet.

Would anybody like to actually debate?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You should make an argument. .... Let's see what you've got. I haven't seen it yet.

Would anybody like to actually debate?

I made my point a few posts ago. All I have to add is that you are on the one hand arguing that waterboarding is not torture and on the other arguing that torture is ok to justify waterboarding. Am I reading that wrong?

Other then that, I'll just state my belief that militancy is a big part of what created the 'terrorism' problem (in absence of a good definition, i should put it in quotes) and that we should drop it and help people in the middle east overthrow their totalitarian governments instead of helping to support dictatorships. I'm more interested in you as a debater then I am in this particular topic. And it wasn't an insult. I would genuinely like to pick the brain of the man that cooked up the the sentence I quoted. Seems to me that no minds are going to be changed here. I'll let you get back to it.

I would be happy to counter your points, had you actually made any. As I said, saying that waking up early is torture simply makes no sense. You have no argument so you make ridiculous claims to throw the topic off track.

Originally Posted by Alric

I would be happy to counter your points, had you actually made any. As I said, saying that waking up early is torture simply makes no sense. You have no argument so you make ridiculous claims to throw the topic off track.

Not any news, pal, believe me on this one.


So basically UM is indirectly saying he's in favour of torture. Saying you have "a choice" to stop the torture, if you give them what they want. That is the exact definition of torture.

Jeez, I imagine that guy in the government. He'd kill his own mother for the sake of "public safety".

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Not any news, pal, believe me on this one.


So basically UM is indirectly saying he's in favour of torture. Saying you have "a choice" to stop the torture, if you give them what they want. That is the exact definition of torture.

Jeez, I imagine that guy in the government. He'd kill his own mother for the sake of "public safety".

No, I would not kill my own mother to save a city even though it would be the moral thing to do. I don't have it in me to kill my mother, even if she were trying to kill me. However, it is what I should do if it is what it takes to save a city. It is just a neurological impossibility.

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

No, I would not kill my own mother to save a city even though it would be the moral thing to do.

Been reading The Prince, have you? There's really no 'moral thing to do'. Fact observed throughout the ages.

Also, I didn't say "to save a city", I said "for the sake of 'public safety'".