Thread: "Absolutely torture."

Originally Posted by Alric

That's not thousands of cases of the US doing it, that's the thousands of cases of it having been done on people. We generally do not know how many people the US has done it on, as in most cases its done in secret.

Though we already have many links in this thread that goes to experts and people who have gone through it, and they all talked about what happens to people during the processes. How come you keep ignoring all the information that was already provided? Heck you could just goggle it and it will explain what happens during water boarding.

Though for some reason you think everyone in the world is lying about the physiological impact it has on people. Where is your bases for this? I would like to see the report of the details concerning their health after the torture. Since you seem to claim it is a fact that they are not suffer, I am sure you can provide proof of it.

Sooner or later this very simple point is going to sink in... I am only talking about waterboarding done the right way. That is why I am putting out a major effort to get you to focus on U.S. special forces and three terrorist leaders, the only people the U.S. has ever used waterboarding on as far as we know. I am not talking about the Viet Kong or the Soviets or such. They all out drowned people for all we know. Stop deviating.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I am only talking about waterboarding done the right way.

i'm still waiting on your definition of torture. but if it stands (as the consensus is, and has been for a long time) then you are arguing for the 'right way' to torture. that's a tough one, good luck.

on another side note. the better question is; do we accept a world were torture is legal, prevalent, and used as an accepted way to interrogate your enemies?

people have already decided this. but hey, let's do it again! just please remember that we (the USA!) are the only ones willing and able to make these rules. if we change them, the rest of the world will change too.

so keep arguing for the 'right way' to torture and you'll see a whole bunch of other people doing it too. that'd be fun.

That's not pushing somebody's head underwater for extended periods of time.

[SomeGuy]

it's a simulation. and you wouldn't know the difference, otherwise it would not be effective.

What, are these people retarted???? How do you not know the difference if someone is pushing your head underwater, or if they spray water on your face? How do you think you're dying when all that happens is a bucket of water slowly gets poured on your face? And if they have been doing it for three months, you know that they aren't tryin gto kill you, so duh.

Of course you know the difference.

Originally Posted by '[SomeGuy

Of course you know the difference.

I guess it isn't torture then SomeGuy, if it isn't a way to extract information out of people, which makes it useless, and seeing no reason to do it (besides being sadistic) would amount back to torture.

heh. im jk. yea, you would NOT know the difference. remember that time when you almost drowned? it's like that, exactly like that. only they push you farther than you have ever been, because they know just how far they can go before they kill you (since they don't want to kill you).

im done with you and this now. you can all go back to your conjectures without me or reality.

Originally Posted by sleepingdog

I guess it isn't torture then SomeGuy, if it isn't a way to extract information out of people, which makes it useless, and seeing no reason to do it (besides being sadistic) would amount back to torture.

Torture has a purpose. There is a reason people torture other people. The last sentence makes no sense. Just because it's useless doesn't mean it's torture.

Originally Posted by [SomeGuy]

Torture has a purpose. There is a reason people torture other people. The last sentence makes no sense. Just because it's useless doesn't mean it's torture.

yay! you made your first attempt to define torture. please continue (without the 'torture has a (real) purpose' thing, as some tortures are just to hear you scream).

That is because there really is no distinction between the water boarding. Just because they didn't accidentally kill one of the three people they used it on, doesn't really mean much. Especially since they refuse to give information on this subject. We do not even know if they are suffering physiologically or not. Yet alone, know about the other people who may or may not have been water boarded. Though them hiding what they have been doing to prisoners is not really the issue here. We are talking about the general method used to water board, which most people seem to agree is torture. And even if you do not breath in water, and don't suffer permanently from it, that wouldn't really change the pain you went through during it either.

SomeGuy, if you seriously want to test it you need atleast two people to help you. One to hold you down and the other to pour water in your face. Remember you are supposed to be gagged while it happens as well.

You can't just splash some water in your face and claim it must be the same as water boarding. Its not even close.

When I get a chance, and when I don't have strep throat, I will. I promise.

Originally Posted by Alric

We are talking about the general method used to water board

No, we are talking about the American method, which is used on our special forces.

Originally Posted by sleepingdog

i'm still waiting on your definition of torture. but if it stands (as the consensus is, and has been for a long time) then you are arguing for the 'right way' to torture. that's a tough one, good luck.

Done the right way, it is not torture. Torture involves something more painful, longer lasting, and more mentally damaging. See my earlier posts about spectrum, subjectivity, and boundary. Did you skip over it? Counter my analogies while you are at it, especially about the early morning criminal trials. This is getting way too repetitive.

Originally Posted by sleepingdog

on another side note. the better question is; do we accept a world were torture is legal, prevalent, and used as an accepted way to interrogate your enemies?

Again (Jesus I am having to use that word a lot.), I think torture should be illegal and that waterboarding should only be used on known terrorist leaders.

Originally Posted by sleepingdog

people have already decided this. but hey, let's do it again! just please remember that we (the USA!) are the only ones willing and able to make these rules. if we change them, the rest of the world will change too.

Yes, and we will all live in marshmallow houses in Candyland. All the members of Al Qaeda really need are hugs.

Originally Posted by sleepingdog

so keep arguing for the 'right way' to torture and you'll see a whole bunch of other people doing it too. that'd be fun.

Yeah, we are the magicians and the rest of the world are the robots.