Thread: Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults Act of 2009

Originally Posted by ninja9578

All mind-altering substances are dangerous.

The is not true. Study more.

Originally Posted by InvisibleMan

The is not true. Study more.

He's true in the same sense that water is dangerous.

Hmm, I think this would be a good thing. Sure, marijauna is harmful. It seems there are some potentially serious health effects in hardcore users over time (and I mean HARDCORE). Of course, it's still much less harmful health-wise than cigarettes and less dangerous psychologically than alchohol.

The benefits would be exponential. It's use could be somewhat moderated and controlled. It would take a large burden off of our legal system as well. Plus, taxes from it could be a considerable source of government revenue. There would be a lot of good from this. Now, if only they would do this with ALL drugs, then there would be the added bonus that most organized crime groups would get a huge drop in profits. The underground economy would take a huge hit. There would likely be a big dip in organized crime for a while.

He's true in the same sense that water is dangerous.

I suppose somebody could always throw pills at you really hard when you're standing on a cliff. Or something.

Lol.

If alchohol is legal, marijuana should be.

People talk negitivly about weed when millions of people drink and die from drunk driving or liver poisoning.

Not a single person has die from marijuana.

They say it can cause car accidents when 85% or the time, the person was ALSO intoxicated from drinking.

"If the words "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on."
- Terence McKenna

Barney Frank or no, a glimmer of hope on this topic is a godsend. The idea that this is even MENTIONED let alone PROPOSED in the house and senate is a sign of the times I think.

Prohibition I was driven out during a depression, and it's very possible that Prohibition II will be also. And at that point, I'll be too high to care, and growing my own bud, so no worries chums.

i would love for it to be legalized but realistically idt it would ever last. the govt lets us drink because when we're drunk we just act retarded, maybe fu(k a fat chick or two, being highs a different ball park, i think a lot of people would begin to question their own opinions, traditions, values, that would eventually lead to questioning of the govt, possibly a revolution. snowball argument, yea but they base all their decisions on those kind of arguments

Yep, I agree.

That's why I think >overall< the demonization of marijuana was ramped up so much along with the other psychoactives. All the hippies prancing around the streets, preaching about free love and justice. Unamerican.

Doesn't make you question your reality as much as the other psychedelics, but it does to at least some extent, where everything else that is kosher in the society is geared toward subservience, yes. Marijuana legalization may be the least of our worries in the years ahead.

I'm looking at you, 10 plus trillion dollar national debt.

Both of the above replies are pretty ignorant of political reality, present and historical. It has nothing to do with subservience or questioning reaility. If you want serious spirituality, try sober meditation. If the majority of the people were stoned all day long, it would be a god-send for the powers that be if you you overlook the fact that the economy would probably collapse. It wasn't weed that moved the hippies in the sixties: it was the threat of having their asses dragged to vietnam.

It is pretty well documented that weed was made illegal because it was going to cost a bunch of rich people that were invested in cotton for fabric and wood for paper a lot of money. William Randolph Hearst used his newspapers and media influence to whip up a bunch of race based fear and the law (marihuna tax act of 1937) passed without a hitch. The legal status of ganj was a casualty of the war on hemp.

Even if weed was some 'spiritual' plant (which it may well be for people that approach it with the right attitude), the people that make the laws are not thinking of it in that regard.

No need to exclude cultural and psychological elements to a taboo in a society, they're just as necessary to forming an idea why it is taboo.

I know the historical basis. The southern states wanting to find a reason antagonize the local hispanic population into submission/emigration = why the name was changed from HEMP to MARIHUANA. Made it sound evil, strange, and foreign.

But we also know that for the most part its usage went relatively unnoticed until it became associated with counter-culture ideology. I say relatively in that there may have been arrests, but nothing compared to anything post '71.

Off in another direction, the psychedelics have everything to do with questioning reality to those who have not encountered psychedelics. Different drugs, and patterns of behaviors, which effect natural drugs in the body and the brain, induce different kinds of consciousness. Meditation releases endorphins, serotonin, and allegedly at low enough brain wave patterns dimethyltriptamine, a psychedelic.

So, the worst thing that happened was to have LSD associated with marijuana, the CIA had full knowledge of it's ability to reform a consciousness under the right conditions, a dose of something, that under the right conditions, can push the mind into a meditative/altered state that would otherwise take years to develop adequately.

Politics, economics, psychology, culture, are not split into neat little categories separated from each other. They are all equally connected and valid arguments. Including the spiritual argument.

Also, the stereotype that being stoned "all day" (a ridiculous abuse of a powerful drug that should be treated with reverence) will cause you overlook your reality as a generalization couldn't be more false. There are different strains and varieties, and different kinds of effects on different users. Myself, if smoking a good Sativa strain, will find myself exercising, writing, reading, drawing, and generally myself more than what I do when I don't have it: surf the internet for hours on end for no seeming point or purpose other than to relieve boredom.

Legalization would do a whole lot of people, including me, a lot of good, "spiritually".

The people who make the laws die like everyone else, and perspectives die with them. There's always hope. You're a downer.

I was saying that the laws have nothing to do with spirituality because the people that write them don't acknowledge that it has any spritual purpose. I did acknowledge that it could, for a minority of the people that smoke.

You can quite easy seperate spirituallity from laws: they don't intersect. Furthermore, claiming that weed is taboo pretty much goes right past what a taboo is. The culture isn't down on weed, just the government. That's why it will be legalized.

as far as my "ridiculous generalization" goes, you're right about different strains. Anything that is commercially produced is an indica because sativas, being equitorial, don't respond as well to being forced to bloom by controlling their light cycles and are less dense as well. Most people smoke indicas. Also, I wasn't saying that people would be stoned all day, just that it would do the billionares good.

That was quick. It's a shame that most people smoke Indicas, probably where the stereotype comes from: Indicas make me lazy and depressive. I don't understand why people even smoke indicas recreationally...

Yeah, you're right on that point, and the irony is how closely they worship alcohol as compared to their religious texts.

Depends on who the billionaires are I guess... Imagine building an growing empire post-legalization, der shrug. A lot of billionaires (drug cartels) will be pissed.

The worst manifestation I can think of here is marijuana becoming like tobacco, and having numerous companies adding toxic chemicals to create physically addictive qualities, while not allowing personal growth of plants.

I think you need a license for growing tobacco...

I don't think you can get a population much more sheepish than they are now, myself included, MJ or not.

Depends on who the billionaires are I guess... Imagine building an growing empire post-legalization, der shrug. A lot of billionaires (drug cartels) will be pissed.

You wouldn't believe how many billionaires and other people have had the time of their lives in the wake of illegal cannabis. More than just a few will be pissed off if cannabis is legalized. These are just a few that I can think of off of the top of my head:

Big Oil
King Cotton
Terrible Timber
Crappy Coal
the Illegal Drug cartels
Big Pharma (The LEGAL drug cartels)
The alcohol industry (since there will be an alternative to getting yourself messed up)
Prison builders (The Netherlands and Portugal are actually closing prisons and renting out space to other countries, go figure.)
Monsanto, DuPont, and all of the other herbicide manufacturers
The Partnership for a Drug Free America
The DEA

But who would it benefit?

"Hippies"
"Stoners"
People who don't like being raped by Big Pharma
(^those 3 comprise 40% of the population, by the way)
Farmers
and a couple of state and federal budgets. But who cares about them? Borrow more from china.....

That list of people doesn't have the entire government in their pockets. The other one does.

Damn.

You crush my dreams.

i dont smoke pot but i dont think its the GOV place to tell us what we can consume...legalize all drugs and crime rates will go down and so will drug use...when you fight wars against something it grows. look at terrorism. but whatever man

Hell no it shouldn't be legalized! lol Then I wouldn't need my expensive and favorite tree signs which deter weed-seeking trespassers.

http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/...y=#slideanchor

(Not my photo but looks extremely similar to where I reside.)

Originally Posted by ninja9578

I'm all for the legalization of marijuana, as long as there are restrictions on it. All mind-altering substances are dangerous. Just like alcohol I think there should be a legal age for marijuana, 21. And of course, illegal while driving

This thread is making me want some pot brownies. Got the brownie mix, the pot, the oil, but no eggs

I think it should be 18. Why can we be drafted at 18 but we can't drink alcohol 'til 21?

Originally Posted by Xei

I suppose somebody could always throw pills at you really hard when you're standing on a cliff. Or something.

Hmm....... If you drink too much water you can die