I'd dispute it was because they were smart; bore holes in the skulls were actually part of a religious ceremony to let demons out of the brain.
I don't know if releasing pressure was another reason but certainly the above was a factor.
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I'd dispute it was because they were smart; bore holes in the skulls were actually part of a religious ceremony to let demons out of the brain.
I don't know if releasing pressure was another reason but certainly the above was a factor.
I don't see how that impunes their intelligence. They had a problem and a model. The model was an accurate description of the problemto the extent that it allowed them to solve said problem. That's intelligence in action. We have better models today, not more intelligence.
It impunes their intelligence because there was no rational reason (i.e. evidence) that it either worked, or that there was a problem in the first place, and the result of the operation is a bloody big hole in your head and quite possibly death through blood loss or infection.
The majority of people in developed countries are definitely more intelligent than they were historically. Genetically it is disputable, but the intelligence which we learn, and the intelligent approaches we have learned as a society (for example skepticism) have clearly improved over time historically.
I.Q. tests also show a constant rise since their implementation (to the present day). Some say that's due to more visual environments, but whatever the reason, the increase is extremely apparent.
I'll have to do more research on this. I believe that the reason they would have had to believe that it worked was the cessation of pain though and that said pain would be their reason for knowing that there was a problem in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
That's just cultural bias. They were adapted to our environment, we are adapted to ours. I see no reason to consider scepticism to be an aspect of intelligence. It is something that is learned and hence not an adequate or even relevant measure of intelligence. The ability to learn scepticism however would be a measure of intelligenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Xei
I was once asked who discovered North America on an IQ test. I don't see the relevance of IQ to intelligence. Again, It measures what our culture deems to be intelligence. How many members of our culture could reliably navigate the pacific in a wooden canoe by stars without a sextant? We haven't changed much genetically in about 60,0000 years. You could take a human baby from 30,000 years ago and raise them in a modern culture and they would be every bit as intelligent by our standards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Well, I was reading something similar to this in Surely You're Joking Mr. Feynman and he talks about how scepticism has been ingrained in modern people; think of my point like this:
You pluck somebody from modern society, and somebody from the ancient Aztecs, and put them in a tent with a witch-doctor, who tells them that their intestines will fall out unless they eat some mud, close their eyes, and dance around for a bit.
Would you not label the person more likely to follow the witch-doctor's advice (i.e. the Aztec) as less intelligent than the other?
I'd already said that we are genetically the same; the point is that intelligence doesn't have a heritability value of 1. Modern society teaches us intelligence.
(How this discussion arose I can't remember but let's roll with it :P).
I wouldn't consider either to be more intelligent. I would consider the person from a modern culture to be better educated concerning the workings of disease and the human body. All due respect to Feynman, he was a genius, but I believe that he was betraying some natural cultural bias there.
I think that we agree and are just arguing about the definition of intelligence. I often seem to get into arguments about definitions :( If we were to take a newborn from the aztecs and from a modern culture and place each in the other culture, then in tweny years, there would be no indication that either had come from the other culture aside from perhaps skin color. They would, by my as-of-yet unformulated definition, have equal intelligence in that they both would have absorbed their culture with equal efficacy.
Yeah, basically you're talking about the genetic component of intelligence... but I think very few people would say that that is the only component. Whatever factor you're measuring, any study will tell you that environmental variation is just as important.
These people = The Bilderberg GroupQuote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
http://www.worldproutassembly.org/bilderberg.jpg
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"The Bilderberg Conference is an annual conference which was established in 1954 at the invitation of Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands at the Hotel de Bilderberg in Oosterbeck, the Netherlands. Its main founder was the Polish political philanthropist Joseph Retinger and its members include political leaders, statesmen, academics, businessmen, bankers, and union leaders from Western Europe and the NATO countries. They discuss the political, economic and military problems of Europe and the world." - [HANSARD]
The highly secretive Bilderberg conferences are arguably the most powerful political and economic gatherings on earth. The world's press are never informed that the conference is happening until the last black Mercedes leaves. If the press do find out it is happening they are kept away by secret police and security guards. Many world leaders and senior politicians attend these secret meetings (illegally) along with top royalty.
Prince Bernhard, creator of the Bilderberg, was a card carrying member of Hitler's SS.
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Through lies and obfuscations, Bilderbergers are desperately
trying to foist onto the unwilling world population a totalitarian
One World Government, a single global currency and a syncretic universal religion.
They're slowly taking over the world. And this isn't just about starvation and reducing the population, it's everything.
This is not just some NWO conspiracy theory. These people are real. This group exists. The things stated about them, are true.
We're fucked.
Yea, wakata. Finally at least some of you understand, most others don't believe it or just don't care.
I really hope their plan won't go through. This was well thought out, for centuries at least. They really played it like a chess game and set it up nice, keeping their opponents in the dark. We need to really stop fighting each other and come together as a group consciousness.
What exactly do you mean by that?Quote:
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Look, if this depopulation scheme is the real deal it's going to be something that effects human beings worldwide. We're talking about something along the lines of a new airborne pathogen, or biosphere disruption. Nothing from outside their little group would do anything. You're best bet is that there are going to be those members who defect and ruin everything for whatever hypothetical world-takeover committee there is.
It's that, or dig a hole that you can live in for many years before resurfacing. Heh, if they've been doing this for hundreds of years, they might still have a few hundred to go. The apocalypse was supposed to happen thousands of years ago, and it was supposed to keep happening as every year passed and folks kept predicting it. It hasn't yet.
There doesn't need to be a conspiracy for depopulation; depopulation is going to happen anyway, probably pretty soon.
it seems everyone these days always tries to play it safe all the time and play it down the middle or say something of no importance or just not give an opinion but try to sound sage. i believe eugenics is currently going on on a massive scale we dont even understand and most people wouldnt believe if you told them....they would say you were crazy. thats alright though. our culture has become too consumed the the right/left political theater that they use to divide and conquer while we are busy arguing about gun control or illegal aliens or gays they are screwing us in broad day light. you are losing freedoms.
Please explain why nobody but you has noticed these massive scale eugenics. I'd think that selectively breeding people on a mass scale would be more apparent.Quote:
Originally Posted by poopman
Reason is flawed. Emotions are flawed. Both can be flawlessly used together? BALANCE. Reason is an extreme, and has a limited view. emotion is an extreme, and has a limited view. Balance both without going to one extreme = far less limited than either view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scatterbrain
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Back that up. Because as far as we know, emotion doesn't have any use in discovering objective truths. Wanting something to be true doesn't make it so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Man of Shred
I never thought I'd have to argue this with anyone.
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Originally Posted by Scatterbrain
look up cancer rates and sperm rates in the last 50 years. its not about breeding the perfect race right now as it is about getting rid of useless eatersQuote:
Originally Posted by DarkLucideity
All of those things can be attributed to so much environmental and dietary changes over the course of said 50 years that it's not even funny blame it on some lame ass global conspiracy. It's a byproduct of greedy capitalists making money at the expense of their wage slaves. They're just doing the math and realizing that the money that they can make is more than enough to compensate any class action lawsuits that are likely to arise. Old news.Quote:
Originally Posted by poopman
Ok. First of all, everything - my view.
I'm trying to stay open minded towards that stuff.
About a year ago, I have watched a bunch of documentaries
and got generally interested, also since it seemed that there
were claims, even outragous ones, that could be checked and
appeared to be somewhat accurate.
But these sites and movies are, of course, not a basis for information.
So I started to try to stick to sources I feel I could rely on. It got me
interested a lot more in politics and economics and I think that I did
start to get a general understanding of certain situations.
(Also I have studied business administration for 3 semesters, before
I realized that this is not something I would want to do with my life)
So, over the last year, I have been reading along on a variety of
economical, as well as political forums, read authors like Noam
Chomsky - someone I would recommend, read books on history,
as well as different globalization-critics, like attac (as an organization),
Naomi Klein and John Perkins. I'm gathering daily news from many
different sites (no conspiracy sites) and am trying to get deeper into
claims, that seem outragous. I also am viewing different points of view,
e.g. the opposition, try to follow the 'known for objectivity' papers and
if I stumble upon an article that uses a document as a basis for argumentation,
I usually emidiatly skip to the document itself and try to form my own
opinion, as best as I can - which admittetly is not always that simple.
I've come to realize, that those who put up these theories many
times take events and put them into a subjective context, whilest
there could be many different interpretations. But - and that I am
pretty sure of - decicions, wether economical or political are led
by personal interest and the portrayel in the news, any major news
station or newspaper, is laughable.
It shouldn't be surprising to anyone, that power corrupts. And it
becomes obvious pretty quickly, that most of the decisions made,
wether by the governments or the major ecological organizations,
are dictated by interest. To me - the whole developement we are
facing, almost appears natural.
Every organization that has influence on any geoplitical decisions
is a multi-billion dollar business. And I think no one would deny
that lobbyism exists. Also the fact, that many of the politicians
are chairmen or at least have strong financial interests in companies,
should worry or be discussed a lot more than it is at the time.
Free media is not free, which is one of the most important pillars
of any democracy. Terror is being used as an invincible, everlasting
outside threat to monger fear and to push laws that cut individual
rights. The European Union is actually just discussing to start
monitoring all of the financial transfers, because of terror, and
then automatically sending these informations forth to the American
government. We seem to be turning into a world of surveillance, at
least in the US and Europe. And if it doesn't come to a stop at some
point, the predictions that are so often easily brushed off, might just
become reality.
To me, wether there is a small group of people planning their agenda
in the dark, or for it to happen naturally through people pushing the
limits for their gain through great holes in the democratic system, as well
as the world market, as well as the financial system (!) doesn't really
matter. Political decisions have been pushed through, where I thought -
these could never pass, obvious lies have been told, where I thought -
people would never buy into them and personal liberties have been given
out by the people, as if they were candy.
If there is a thing we can learn from history, it is, that we need to watch
our rights very closely and not have them undergone. If there is a gap
in the system that allows people to be corrupt, they will be. It doesn't
take a group of people to plan it, it will happen if it is being made possible.
I am not at all suggesting, that I know what is going on. On the contrary,
I think that I most certainly don't. Neither do the 95% who really have no
clue, nor do the 5% who think they do (numbers taken from page one).
But what I am suggesting is that people start educating themselves and
stay that way, as unbiased as possible, because the official versions often
are no less outragous, than the stuff Alex Jones makes up.
As for the Depopulation of the earth:
I have yet to see a reasonable source for this claim.
I'm quoting this from the first page:
So, Dr. Rima Laibow makes the claim, that 3 billion people willQuote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
die, as supported through the WHO technical report series
"Diet, Nutrition and the Prevention of Chronic Disease". This
is a pretty easy thing to check, it can be downloaded right here:
http://whqlibdoc.who.int/trs/WHO_trs_916.pdf .
I have searched through the 160 pages, admittedly very loosely,
but I could not find any evidence to support the claims she made.
Even though many of the claims that do seem scientific, are as so
often, very troubeling.
To me, this seems like a perfect opportunity to either debunk or
strenghen one of the very strong and important claims by conspiracy
theorists, about depopulation, which is also what this thread is about.
Anyone read it? Anyone know more, just about this specific article?
I just don't have the time right now, to get further into the paper.
I sees me an awful lot of dookie in this thread...
I was gonna say something, but I figure it just ain't worth stepping in between the ultra-liberal, pro-anarchist conspiracy theorist fucknuts on the one side, and the pro-logic-and-reason fucknuts on the other.
Wait...what?
what about the ultra-liberal, pro-anarchist, pro-logic-and-reason fucknuts such as myself?
and you just did say something. just nothing worth having said. sissy.
EDIT: GAHHHH! thats a terrible analysis......most of the conspiricy theorists are either constitutionalists (ultra-conservative) or don't know what the fuck they believe but are being manipulated by ultra-conservatives......
And what kind of fucknut would you be then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lëzen
If you really want to know what our governments doing to, and what's really transpiring read "Behold A Pale Horse" by William Bill Cooper. It is important to keep in mind that this book was published before the attack on the World Trade Center and the US is finding itself in exactly the position Cooper predicted. Whether or not you think you might agree with the information in this book, I recommend any book written by someone who was killed for the purpose of silencing him or her. Be an informed citizen and know what your government is capable of. This book tells where he gets his sources, and it has legitimate looking documents..still if your interested you can research it yourself.
I'm done with posting anything conspiratorial on the internet. This is the last thing. So if you want to know the truth, than you should. I have the e-book for free just PM me and I'll send it to you. You really need to be open-minded about this book, and not take it at face value. Not everything is 100% true, but even if 90% of this book is completely bulls**t, that 10% will still blow you away.
Just disregard the stuff about U.F.O.s and aliens in his book, Cooper later said that he was intentionally misinformed about that. I will tell you though, that RFID chip is the ultimate trap, don't get it.
This is book is a good read, definitely worth it. PM me.
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So the bad guys would be willing to kill a man in order to silence him but they wouldn't stop the publication of the book containing the actual information?Quote:
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