Washing Mandating Swine Flu Vaccines & FDA totalitarian reign over OUR food supply???

[Jorge]

Sign the Petitions at the End of my Post! My friends, this is an emergency and your participation is Dangerously Required. The U.S Government is attempting to create another branch of control in our Country. The U.S Government is trying to gain control over our Food Supply. They are trying to suppress our Clean, Whole, and Natural Organic Foods. This is not right, this is not what America needs. Especially with all the obesity in this bullshit Country. The Government, is trying to make Swine Flu Vaccines Mandatory without even FULLY testing them if there safe! I encourage you to please take action by signing the Petitions I am going to give to you to counter these 2 Bills from being passed. Please, don’t take this information lightly, please take action and sign the petitions. Not only are they trying to control our Food Supply, but they are trying to make Swine Flu Vaccines Mandatory! The uninsurable vaccines produced for the bioengineered Swine Flu Pandemic will not have been tested in any meaningful way by the time they are delivered into our bodies and those of our children in the fall of 2009, if the World Health Organization and CDC are to be believed. These vaccines haven’t been tested properly and are not known if they have lethal side effects! http://dreamviews.com/community/show...+flu+mandatory Another reason the Swine Flu Vaccine might be dangerous is that it’s stated that "No Drug Company is Liable for Side Effects!" Vaccine manufacturers are exempt, thanks to Congress and the FDA, from any legal liability for damage or death from these dangerous, uninsurable drugs. What kind of Bullshit is that? Where’s our freedom? If these vaccines become mandatory, you could go to jail for rejecting them… “The United States Emergency Medical Powers Acts and Federal legislation, including the Patriot Acts I, II and III, BARDA and others provide for mandatory vaccination or drugging. No exemptions (religious or otherwise) are provided. Those who refuse will be classified as felons at the State level, subject to immediate incarceration and quarantine of indefinite length in jails or other facilities reserved for such "vaccine refusers." In a frightening "Big Lie" propaganda move, those who doubt the effectiveness of unproven, uninsurable vaccines are being called “Vaccine Resisters" and being equated to a new form of "terrorism." As you can see we need to take action now, we need to send this to everybody. Don’t ignore this information, I encourage you forward this to everybody you know. Don’t let the Government take even more control than they already have. We need Organic Foods. We should have our Right to Self-Protect ourself from the Swine Flu. Don’t let the Government Force this Vaccine into your body! Are you going to let the Government Control you? Are you going to just ignore this Emergency Calling from YOU The Americans of this Country? Will you let the Government Suppress our scarce Healthy, Organic, Natural Foods? Will you let the Government control OUR Food Supply? Will you let The Government Inject a Potentially Dangerous Vaccine that hasn’t been fully tested into You, Your Family, and your Children? Fight back and protect our only Healthy Food Source, Organic Food http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o...aign_KEY=26714 Fight back against the Mandatory Potentially Dangerous Vaccine that’s not even able to cure the Swine Flu! http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o...aign_KEY=27275 Get your voice heard and stop this from happening! You only have THREE weeks to protect yourself against the FDA and FTC, food fascism and mandatory Swine Flu vaccinations! My friends, I please ask you to Sign the Petition. As well as send this to everybody you know via e-mail, word of mouth or other. Copy and paste this into other forums. Spread this around ASAP, we only have 3 weeks. I sincerely ask you to fight back!

[Supernova]

actually, I believe what it's saying is there's 3 weeks untill the sente vote, which means 3 weeks to convince them not to pass it.

[Jorge]

actually, I believe what it's saying is there's 3 weeks untill the sente vote, which means 3 weeks to convince them not to pass it. If that's the case, why don't we try our hardest to try and convince them? It doesn't make sense why would they even try to regulate the small farmers, and natural/organic foods? For more control! (thanks supernova) Don't let the government take control! Please whoever reads this thread, don't take this information lightly. Take action, all you need to do is sign the petition in the link to help. There is already over 1 million people signed the petition. More is needed, please every person counts. All it will take is 3 min. of your time to sign. 1. The House of “Representatives” passes draconian (sic) food safety bill… Take Action Here: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o...aign_KEY=26714 2. And mass forced vaccination comes closer… Take Action here: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o...aign_KEY=27275

[Supernova]

It doesn't make sense! Simple. They gain much greater control over us. I do agree with you 100% though, I sent both e-mails.

[WakataDreamer]

I agree as well, 100%, and will send both e-mails. We won't let these bastards do this. EDIT: Look what I found http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?o...4&jumival=3632 Everything is linked, it's all part of their plan!!

[Hercuflea]

Ray McBerry for governor of Georgia 2010, State's Rights, anti-big government. Georgiafirst.org

[WakataDreamer]

MOAR PPL READ THIS ITS IMPORTANT

[Lucid_boy]

So tell me, what conspiricay theorist wagon did you guys fall off of? I don't agree with the taking control of the food supply, but mandatory injections (even though it's not going to happen) would be good for everyone. WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT A VACCINE FOR DEADLY DISEASE? As far as it cutting back on freedom, Americans have too much of it, we are the most inefficient society on earth.

[Black_Eagle]

Every poster above this one sounds like a whackjob. Where exactly is the OP getting his information about a mandatory vaccine from? And what about all that rambling about organic foods? As far as it cutting back on freedom, Americans have too much of it, we are the most inefficient society on earth. If that isn't the scariest thing I've heard all month... Thank God more people don't have that attitude else we really would be on the road to a police state. In what ways are we inefficient that would require us to scale back on our freedom? And I don't mean the freedom of whether to choose between recycling or wastefully throwing useless materials away.

[Lucid_boy]

Every poster above this one sounds like a whackjob. Where exactly is the OP getting his information about a mandatory vaccine from? And what about all that rambling about organic foods? If that isn't the scariest thing I've heard all month... Thank God more people don't have that attitude else we really would be on the road to a police state. In what ways are we inefficient that would require us to scale back on our freedom? And I don't mean the freedom of whether to choose between recycling or wastefully throwing useless materials away. Americans just have too many choices, I'd rather have a constitutional monarchy where we keep the bill of rights and some of the main points of the constitution but trash the rest. The reason our goverment can never get anything is because it is too obsessed with apealing to the unwashed masses and gets deadlocked in voting. That is why we need to have a system where we elect a monarch/president for life or do the same by electing a small council for life. This goverment would make all the choices and could actually do what is best for the nation. The only time the people would need to vote is to elect a 'king' or if 2/3's of the population agree, get rid of and execute the king/council.

[Catbus]

Americans just have too many choices, I'd rather have a constitutional monarchy where we keep the bill of rights and some of the main points of the constitution but trash the rest. The reason our goverment can never get anything is because it is too obsessed with apealing to the unwashed masses and gets deadlocked in voting. That is why we need to have a system where we elect a monarch/president for life or do the same by electing a small council for life. This goverment would make all the choices and could actually do what is best for the nation. The only time the people would need to vote is to elect a 'king' or if 2/3's of the population agree, get rid of and execute the king/council. Execute? Why not just fire?

[Black_Eagle]

Hitler, Stalin, African/Middle-Eastern/South American dictators. If we have a small group of people making all the decisions for us, they're bound to make the wrong ones. Here's a video that I believe to be relevant: http://www.wimp.com/thegovernment/ You didn't really answer my original question. We have too many choices? Why do we have too many?

[Lucid_boy]

Execute? Why not just fire? They'd rebel against the new goverment, of course.

[Lucid_boy]

Hitler, Stalin, African/Middle-Eastern/South American dictators. If we have a small group of people making all the decisions for us, they're bound to make the wrong ones. Here's a video that I believe to be relevant: http://www.wimp.com/thegovernment/ You didn't really answer my original question. We have too many choices? Why do we have too many? Because when no one can agree on anything in a timely enough manner and it bogs down the whole system and delays much needed law, then it is clear that we have to many choices and need to simplify or completely remove them. As far as your dictators go, that is why we have the small power to remove/elect them, and besides the only people hitler and the African dictators were/are bad for is the groups they are persecuting, everyone else prospers. Besides, most of the most succesful/majestic empires/civilizations throughout time have been ruled by king/council. Democracys are weak.

[Catbus]

They'd rebel against the new goverment, of course. But if the public opinion is against them, then what would it matter?

[Black_Eagle]

Because when no one can agree on anything in a timely enough manner and it bogs down the whole system and delays much needed law, then it is clear that we have to many choices and need to simplify or completely remove them. Why does it bog down the system? Back up your arguments because I can't quite see how what you're saying correlates with the bigger picture. What laws are needed? As far as your dictators go, that is why we have the small power to remove/elect them, and besides the only people hitler and the African dictators were/are bad for is the groups they are persecuting, everyone else prospers. If you remove all the checks and balances, who's to say this oligarchy wouldn't pass laws to circumvent this small power to remove them? What are you saying about dictators? That it's ok for them to make a small group suffer so that everyone else prospers? But anyway, I disagree that dictators are only considered "bad" for the groups they are persecuting. In what ways were "everyone else" prospering. During Hitler's time, his nation was being continually bombed, he sent millions of his soldiers to death during a war they ultimately lost, and he propagated mindless bigotry all across the population. As for the rest of the dictators, I can't think of an example where "everyone else has prospered". I can only think of instances where the majority of the population has been oppressed and many murdered. Besides, most of the most succesful/majestic empires/civilizations throughout time have been ruled by king/council. Democracys are weak. Are you kidding? America IS the most successful empire/civilization that has been on the face of the Earth in all of history. And these civilizations (I'm assuming you're referring to civilizations like Rome and England) constrained personal liberties. It sounds like you think power and success of a country are more important than the personal liberties. Is this true? One last thing: Since it sounds like you didn't watch it, that video I posted makes a lot of sense to this argument and explains why America is not a democracy (or at least isn't supposed to be). It also explains that Rome morphed from a Republic to a democracy and then to an Oligarchy (what you seem to support) and then collapsed/broke up.

[Lucid_boy]

Why does it bog down the system? Back up your arguments because I can't quite see how what you're saying correlates with the bigger picture. What laws are needed? Well, I can think of a few right now that petty and unnecacary polotics have bogged down: 1. Laws regulating insurance companies 2. Laws regulating guns/gun control 3. Harsher punishment for prisioners 4. Laws banning special interest groups when I say bogs down I mean 'slows' or stops from 'happening' and voting/ playing to the desire of the masses clearly does this. Which is faster? To have a central leader that commands something to be done and it is, or requrements that things go through congress? If you remove all the checks and balances, who's to say this oligarchy wouldn't pass laws to circumvent this small power to remove them? In this scenario. military force would be used to remove them. What are you saying about dictators? That it's ok for them to make a small group suffer so that everyone else prospers? No, I didn't say that at all, I was just making the point of there success. But anyway, I disagree that dictators are only considered "bad" for the groups they are persecuting. In what ways were "everyone else" prospering. During Hitler's time, his nation was being continually bombed, he sent millions of his soldiers to death during a war they ultimately lost, and he propagated mindless bigotry all across the population. As for the rest of the dictators, I can't think of an example where "everyone else has prospered". I can only think of instances where the majority of the population has been oppressed and many murdered. Aside from the time were they were being bombed-which could happen to a country with or without a dictator-Military might, economy, and standard of living all rose during hitlers reign and that of mussolini. Even stalin improved his countries overall might for a time. Are you kidding? America IS the most successful empire/civilization that has been on the face of the Earth in all of history. And these civilizations (I'm assuming you're referring to civilizations like Rome and England) constrained personal liberties. It sounds like you think power and success of a country are more important than the personal liberties. Is this true? America is not the most powerful country on earth because it is a democracy, it is the most powerful country on earth because in it's early history it was founded by 20 or so hyper-intelligent men. The rest has just been the country using up the steam/energy they produced. And these civilizations (I'm assuming you're referring to civilizations like Rome and England) constrained personal liberties. It sounds like you think power and success of a country are more important than the personal liberties. Is this true? No, I am not saying this, I already stated that we would keep most of our personal liberties, all I am saying is that our system of goverment is highly inefficent and that a monarchy/oligarchy that allowed us most of the rights we enjoy now would be better, almost like the best of both worlds. One last thing: Since it sounds like you didn't watch it, that video I posted makes a lot of sense to this argument and explains why America is not a democracy (or at least isn't supposed to be). It also explains that Rome morphed from a Republic to a democracy and then to an Oligarchy (what you seem to support) and then collapsed/broke up. I know that america is not a democracy, it is a republic, but the terms are used interchagably here in America and I figured you'd know what I meant. Your statement about rome is deceptive, despite the fact that monarchy/oligarcy was the last stage, it was also the time when rome was it's largest and most prosperous. You should understand that the only liberty that I hate is the right to vote, 80% of the rest of them are perfectly fine.

[Catbus]

No, I didn't say that at all, I was just making the point of there success. Exactly, their success. Life was fucking dandy for Hitler and ranking members of the Nationalsozialismus party, but not for the working class of Germany.

[Descensus]

So tell me, what conspiricay theorist wagon did you guys fall off of? I don't agree with the taking control of the food supply, but mandatory injections (even though it's not going to happen) would be good for everyone. WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT A VACCINE FOR DEADLY DISEASE? As far as it cutting back on freedom, Americans have too much of it, we are the most inefficient society on earth. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand facepalm. Good lord, you're ridiculous.

[StonedApe]

I haven't read this whole thread yet, but What The Fuck? First to address the OP, I agree that what your saying would be terrible, but what specifically are you talking about with regards to the organic food thing? GMOs? I really don't like the direction food is going in this country. Once I finish college I'm planning on moving to Europe. The mandatory vaccinations are a terrible idea. Mandatory anything is a bad idea, especially if it has to do with your body. If this bill passes I'm going to have some real fun faking Aichmophobia(fear of needles). But this "king" idea is just fucking stupid. Why should one person be able to make decisions that effect everyone? Giving one person that much power is a really bad idea. Anyone who would want that much power and responsibility has got to be seriously fucked in the head. America is neither a republic, oligarchy nor democracy. The best term I can think of to describe our political system is clusterfuck of failure. It worked for a while, but it just can't keep up with reality. We just passed a bailout that gives our money to banks and insurance companies. Also see the war in Iraq. Think of how much more retarded things would be if one guy was in charge of making these kinds of decisions. What kinds of ways do you think that this will make things easier now? The current state of the world is much more complex than that of the past and old political models won't(aren't) work(ing). The industrial age is ending and the technological age has begun, yet you seem to think we should go back to feudal age systems. Can you state simply how this will make life better? I agree that government needs to be seriously reformed, but your suggestion sounds worse than what already is. I have some ideas as to how it should be changed, but I don't want to make this post 3 pages long, so I'll try to sum it up in a few statements. -Government should only be used to protect liberty and property. -All types of conflict should be assessed and dealt with on a local level. *War is an outdated method of gaining prosperity and should no longer be used. *Armies are an outdated method of protection and should be massively reduced in size and funding. I'd really like to discuss this but this thread is already way off topic.

[Lucid_boy]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand facepalm. Good lord, you're ridiculous. So are you my friend, congradulations.

[Lucid_boy]

Exactly, their success. Life was fucking dandy for Hitler and ranking members of the Nationalsozialismus party, but not for the working class of Germany. As I stated in my previous post, economy, military, and standard of living rose for germany/non-persecuted groups in germany.

[Lucid_boy]

I haven't read this whole thread yet, but What The Fuck? First to address the OP, I agree that what your saying would be terrible, but what specifically are you talking about with regards to the organic food thing? GMOs? I really don't like the direction food is going in this country. Once I finish college I'm planning on moving to Europe. The mandatory vaccinations are a terrible idea. Mandatory anything is a bad idea, especially if it has to do with your body. If this bill passes I'm going to have some real fun faking Aichmophobia(fear of needles). But this "king" idea is just fucking stupid. Why should one person be able to make decisions that effect everyone? Giving one person that much power is a really bad idea. Anyone who would want that much power and responsibility has got to be seriously fucked in the head. America is neither a republic, oligarchy nor democracy. The best term I can think of to describe our political system is clusterfuck of failure. It worked for a while, but it just can't keep up with reality. We just passed a bailout that gives our money to banks and insurance companies. Also see the war in Iraq. Think of how much more retarded things would be if one guy was in charge of making these kinds of decisions. What kinds of ways do you think that this will make things easier now? The current state of the world is much more complex than that of the past and old political models won't(aren't) work(ing). The industrial age is ending and the technological age has begun, yet you seem to think we should go back to feudal age systems. Can you state simply how this will make life better? I agree that government needs to be seriously reformed, but your suggestion sounds worse than what already is. I have some ideas as to how it should be changed, but I don't want to make this post 3 pages long, so I'll try to sum it up in a few statements. -Government should only be used to protect liberty and property. -All types of conflict should be assessed and dealt with on a local level. *War is an outdated method of gaining prosperity and should no longer be used. *Armies are an outdated method of protection and should be massively reduced in size and funding. I'd really like to discuss this but this thread is already way off topic. It is simple; Less people interfere---->leaders don't have to play to the public---->P Less time is wasted----> people who actually know what they are doing make decisions---> more gets done----> nations prosper. -Government should only be used to protect liberty and property. -All types of conflict should be assessed and dealt with on a local level. *War is an outdated method of gaining prosperity and should no longer be used. I never said that I disagreed with any of those things, in fact, I agree with them all, I just think that if we gave LESS people the right to make decisions, things that needed to be done could be done. The only reason I suggest any of this is because your average citizen is an uneducated imbacile incapable of complex thought. We need to leave goverment to those who know what they are doing. Besides, this has gotten way of base, I never said I wanted a dictatorship or that I supported hitler or that I valued fuedalism, the goverment type I truly support is an Aristocracy/oligarchy.

[Xaqaria]

I believe this whole side topic can be summed up with; Lucid_Boy doesn't seem to understand how easy it is for an Aristocracy to turn into a totalitarian nightmare and everyone else thinks he wants to hand over all of our freedoms. I don't think that's what he wants, he just doesn't understand that that might easily be the end result of what he is advocating for. When only a handful of people have power over a population, whether that small group of powerful people remains ideal (good for the people) or corrupted is completely in their own hands, and the opportunity for one of them to wrench power away from the rest of them is always present. Animal farm is a good reference point for understanding how that could work, or you can go straight to the source and study Russian communism. You might just want stray away from using Nazi Germany as one of your argument points too. Although living conditions may have rose for everyone who wasn't targeted by the Nazis, they were severely worsened for jews, blacks, gays, gypsies, soviets, poles, jehovah's witnesses, and "enemies of the state" which could really be anyone who was not a member of the Nazi party. Its kind of like a joke about statisticians; If a statistician has one foot in the fire and one foot in a block of ice, he'll say "On average, I'm comfortable."

[ChrissyMaria]

this thread reminds me of my mandatory swine flu vaccine thread from last month, I recall most people calling me a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist. Fucking clowns won't get it until theres a needle in their arm giving them horrible side effects. If they force us at gunpoint to take the shot, i prefer the 9mm to my head shot.