Thread: Terence McKenna and Time-Wave Zero. Prediction of 2012. Open-Minds only.

Originally Posted by Xei

End of calendar =/= end of world.

I'm pretty sure about this one.

Yeah it is, and you know it.

Originally Posted by Noogah

I dont want to sound like the dunce here(and I feel like one) but I find this REALLY confusing. Can someone put it in a nutshell?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_millenarianism

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

The Mayan calendar ends on that date.

Still, only someone who is nuts, or religious would come up with 'end of the world" mumbo jumbo.

I looked up some of his other stuff, and in a nutshell, he is trying to measure history. Since you can't measure history, he just assigned arbterity values to historical events then put it onto a graph, and boom you got some odd theory of how everything ends in 2012.

Looking at his other stuff, an obvious flaw becomes apparent. The scale of events become smaller and smaller with time. So a president leaving office is the equivalent of the fall of the roman empire(This is an example he gave). And fashion trends equal thousands of years of history. So more and more meaningless stuff grow more important in value, and reflect on larger spaces of history. One war equals thousands of wars. Until eventually you reach the point, where your blinking represents all of history. Then you cross the exact point where it ends, and the most meaningless things humanly possible happens and the chart ends.

I am not sure how the chart ending equals a large crazy event, when all his examples before that, smaller and smaller events equal larger and larger periods of time. Eventually you should end up with meaningless events, representing everything that ever was.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Still, only someone who is nuts, or religious would come up with 'end of the world" mumbo jumbo.

Like I've said in other threads, 12/21/12 is going to be the butt of a lot of jokes for the rest of our lives after that date.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Like I've said in other threads, 12/21/12 is going to be the butt of a lot of jokes for the rest of our lives after that date.

It really is too bad these jokers will ruin the Mayans name.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

It really is too bad these jokers will ruin the Mayans name.

They won't, the jokers would be the laugh...but probally not. The Mayans were way more advanced than we are..they had their calendar which was based on logic, science, and nature. Something the Gregorian calender we use now is not.

I don't understand why people keep saying it's the end of the world..IT"S NOT the end of the world. The Mayans said it was the end of TIME..not the end of the world..end of linear time. 2012 is supposed to mark the beginning of a new age. A global shift in consciousness. The last step in human evolution.





End of linear time, or end of linear thinking. Nothing bad is supposed to happen on 2012, in fact, it's quite the opposite.

I don't even think the ancient Mayans OR the Egyptian Pharaohs were even human. If they were not E.T.'s, than they were VERY primitive humans. Which would explain why they were so advanced. Take a look at this.

Mayan rulers wore a crown or headdress that covered
their heads, which also could've disguised a coneheaded
shaped skull.



Here is an Illustration of the Atef crown worn by Egyptian Pharoahs, and a picture of the cone-headed shaped skull that may have also been disguised.





I'm not saying that this cone-headed shaped skull thing is true, I just think it's very interesting. There is interesting research on this, if your interested PM me. There's more to this story and it has to do with the Bible.

Why did the Mayans not write past 12/21/2012( 13.0.0.0.0), simply because they didn't need to. Universal conscious co-creation means just what you think it does.

THE LAW OF CO-CREATION
The Law of Co-Creation states that two working in co-creative action have
the power of four working individually; and three working in co-creative activity have
the power of nine; and four working in co-creative activity have the power of sixteen;
and one hundred and forty-four working in harmony can change the world.

Wherein large groups of entities believe and agree on certain images as real
and being stable, this agreement does hold the power of many times that number
of energies, if such energies were held by individuals working separately.
Wherein groups of entities agree upon certain images,
these images do tend to manifest and hold their being in a magnified manner.

The Mayans said it was the end of TIME.

You still haven't provided any kind of historical evidence for that claim, as I asked.

On precisely which rock did the Mayans carve that one?

I will however concede that you've accidentally stumbled across a theory with some logic behind it above even if you didn't realise it, which is the technological singularity theory. However this theory is more an observation of a well established trend (not this 'fractal' pseudobollocks) and does not claim any miracle event on any specific date.

Edit: I've just noticed your lovely picture claims the cellular cycle started '16 billion years ago'. Er, yeah, nice one, that was quite a while before the beginning of the universe.

I guess they included what happened a couple billions of years before the big bang. They are just that advanced.

All the theories and stuff are interesting. However this Terence is trying to give specific details of another dimension, that he couldn't possibly know. Which makes you think, that maybe he took a little to many drugs, while designing his theory.

It has just as many holes as a:

Originally Posted by Alric

All the theories and stuff are interesting. However this Terence is trying to give specific details of another dimension, that he couldn't possibly know. Which makes you think, that maybe he took a little to many drugs, while designing his theory.

Terence was all about psychedelic drugs. He put them on more of a pedestal than probably any other famous writer. He promoted what he called "heroic doses" of mushrooms and was adamant that mushrooms and other psychedelics, especially DMT, are gateways to other realities.

Hard_wired, you need to do some more thurough research before you get into these discussions; you just end up making yourself look like a fool otherwise. The head binding practices of the maya and other cultures is pretty well documented and has nothing to do with aliens, as far as anyone knows. That is unless your source is Indiana Jones, since he's seen all that crazy shit with the crystal skulls and valleys being sucked into alternate dimensions.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Hard_wired, you need to do some more thurough research before you get into these discussions; you just end up making yourself look like a fool otherwise. The head binding practices of the maya and other cultures is pretty well documented and has nothing to do with aliens, as far as anyone knows. That is unless your source is Indiana Jones, since he's seen all that crazy shit with the crystal skulls and valleys being sucked into alternate dimensions.

woah woah buddy. You don't need to go insulting me. I NEVER said this was true...or that it was even proven. I admit it was speculation and guesses, and after looking more into head binding , I was clearly proved wrong.

he didn't insult you dude.... I don't know where you got that idea!

Originally Posted by mindwanderer

he didn't insult you dude.... I don't know where you got that idea!

He said he didn't do enough research and looked like a fool. I'd say that was a personal insult.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

He said he didn't do enough research and looked like a fool. I'd say that was a personal insult.

More like a statement of fact.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Hard_wired, you need to do some more thurough research before you get into these discussions; you just end up making yourself look like a fool otherwise. The head binding practices of the maya and other cultures is pretty well documented and has nothing to do with aliens, as far as anyone knows. That is unless your source is Indiana Jones, since he's seen all that crazy shit with the crystal skulls and valleys being sucked into alternate dimensions.

You shoulda put spoiler tags in that Indiana Jones thing.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

More like a statement of fact.

It depends on your definition of being called ignorant. Some people find it insulting, others don't. The only way to really know IMO is reading between the lines.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

You shoulda put spoiler tags in that Indiana Jones thing.

Well, that movie is old now and it sucks so no loss.

Originally Posted by Noogah

I dont want to sound like the dunce here(and I feel like one) but I find this REALLY confusing. Can someone put it in a nutshell?

Sure.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

I seriously doubt anyone who comes to this board even believes the end of the world will happen in 2012.

That's because the world will end in 2014. My Jehova neighbour said so.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

More like a statement of fact.

Facts can't be insulting?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Facts can't be insulting?

It's irrelevant if a fact is insulting or not. It's a fact. When Hard Wired says that the mayans were more advanced than us, it's a fact that he makes himself look like a fool as Xaqaria said. Somebody needs to tell him.

It's like, are you more grateful to the ten people that don't tell you that you have broccoli in your teeth or the one that does?

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

It's irrelevant if a fact is insulting or not. It's a fact. When Hard Wired says that the mayans were more advanced than us, it's a fact that he makes himself look like a fool as Xaqaria said. Somebody needs to tell him.

It's like, are you more grateful to the ten people that don't tell you that you have broccoli in your teeth or the one that does?

You can correct people just by pointing out facts and countering arguments. You don't have to add anything about looking like a fool. However, as soon as somebody gets that ball rolling, I am going to say it repeatedly. I just think it's rude to initiate it.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You can correct people just by pointing out facts and countering arguments. You don't have to add anything about being a fool. However, as soon as somebody gets that ball rolling, I am going to say it repeatedly. I just think it's rude to initiate it.

I guess it's a judgement call. Sometimes, it just gets so ridiculous though and no amount of facts and counter arguments do the trick. I guess telling somebody that they're being a fool might not do anything either at that point but you certainly have the right to. Sometimes an emotional impact does do the trick to persuade though. That's why people without a point are so dependent on emotional arguments instead of rational ones.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

I guess it's a judgement call. Sometimes, it just gets so ridiculous though and no amount of facts and counter arguments do the trick. I guess telling somebody that they're being a fool might not do anything either at that point but you certainly have the right to. Sometimes an emotional impact does do the trick to persuade though. That's why people without a point are so dependent on emotional arguments instead of rational ones.

Insulting them just makes them more hysterical, though. I agree that sometimes you have to go some kind an emotional route to reach somebody. I should add that a lot of the times when somebody just will not demonstrate comprehension of a simple point after it has been explained over and over and over it's because of intellectual dishonesty, and when that gets bad enough it's okay to start ragging him. I do that all the time. I just don't like seeing people with good intentions getting dogged.