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      Exclamation Video - World's Largest Hatchery - Um, wow.



      This is essentially a video of what happens to male baby chicks in the world's largest egg-laying breed hatchery.

      Now, I eat meat and cannot STAND vegans/vegetarians who shove their way of life down my throat, but this thread isn't really about food choices...

      It's more about, what can I do about this?? Know exactly where I'm getting my eggs from, for a start, I guess.

      I suppose if these and other factories were more humane, the price of animal products would soar, which is fine with me and a lot of people because it means better treatment of animals. I wonder how long other consumers would put up with that, though. Or even if we achieved a level of humane treatment of animals across the board, I wonder if some companies would try to sneak in bad treatment to lower the price of the products.

      Edit: AHA! I forgot to post a link. Brb. Ah ok there we go.
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      Umm, can we see the video, please?

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      I hate videos like this, worse than shockers :\

      There's a line between pulling people into your cause with fear, and using evidence to try and take a stand against something. I think this video toes that line quite nicely.
      I'm a vegetarian myself, but won't tell anyone unless they directly ask, or tell me to eat something I'd rather not.

      There are better ways to do anything, but I won't pretend I know the perfect way to fix this problem. For the moment, it feels like being vegetarian is the best I can do.

      People are always going to want more money, for less work. I don't have much faith in the greater part of humanity because of it.
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      Yeah sorry I posted it.

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      The part where the male chicks are ground alive is fucking terrible...But the end of the video killed it. "Adopting a vegan diet," yeah fuck that.
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      Damn. That's awful. I just sat down after eating supper. Guess what the meat part of my supper was. Rotisserie chicken and a hardboiled egg. Now I feel guilty.

      I think that chicken factory situation might be the worst case of sexism I have ever heard of.

      It seems like the animals that have it best before becoming meat are animals that are hunted in the wild. A lot of types of farm raised animals end up getting tortured at some point.
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      Yes, well, that's life. If you want to change it then open your own goddamn factory and use a more humane approach. See how that works for you. Honestly, it is of absolutely no consequence. It isn't like they are obliterating an ecosystem or making large areas of land useless; they're killing off the portion of animals that would otherwise bog down the production of the food. Could you imagine the cost of euthanaizing all of those chicks? Thats hundreds of chicks per minute. And I mean come on; they're CHICKENS. There are MILLIONS of them there, and they expect the workers to handle them carefully? Again, start your own hatchery if you're so concerned about proper treatment of BIRDS.

      Anyway, I raise my own free range chickens, so this REALLY does not affect me

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant View Post
      It's more about, what can I do about this?? Know exactly where I'm getting my eggs from, for a start, I guess.
      I guess another thing that you can do is try to spread information about animal awareness and that their suffering is as real as ours. People get away with this sort of stuff because the attitude seems to be that the victims are "only" animals.

      Some people just really don't care about the suffering of others though.
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      "A compassionate vegan diet..."

      Oh stfu, that isn't going to do anything...

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      Quote Originally Posted by BLUELINE976 View Post
      But the end of the video killed it. "Adopting a vegan diet," yeah fuck that.
      Yes! Honestly, they need to keep that stuff to themselves - bah, if only they knew how much that turns a lot of people away!


      Quote Originally Posted by A Roxxor View Post
      Yes, well, that's life. If you want to change it then open your own goddamn factory and use a more humane approach. See how that works for you. Honestly, it is of absolutely no consequence. It isn't like they are obliterating an ecosystem or making large areas of land useless; they're killing off the portion of animals that would otherwise bog down the production of the food. Could you imagine the cost of euthanaizing all of those chicks? Thats hundreds of chicks per minute. And I mean come on; they're CHICKENS. There are MILLIONS of them there, and they expect the workers to handle them carefully? Again, start your own hatchery if you're so concerned about proper treatment of BIRDS.
      See... I like animals, especially cute fuzzy little things, but... you definitely have a point! And I completely agree with you - just imagine the cost of keeping all those other chicks alive, just so at the end of the day people could have some eggs. But there's really no way to say that without sounding insensitive, even though it's totally true.

      Would people have a problem if those thicks were killed humanely, no pain or suffering?

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      Does this feel right, killing these living creatures that may feel and think as we do, that live. No, it doesn't.

      Is it the right thing to do for humanity, which thrives from selfish consumption. Yes, it is.

      You or the chicken?
      You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ClouD View Post
      You or the chicken?
      That decision doesn't need to involve the senseless torture of other creature.

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      If you think about it, if you saw fish being dropped into a grinder like that, chances are you wouldn't feel quite as sorry for them. They're not cute. Thus you have none of that parental instinct to protect them.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant View Post
      Yes! Honestly, they need to keep that stuff to themselves - bah, if only they knew how much that turns a lot of people away!




      See... I like animals, especially cute fuzzy little things, but... you definitely have a point! And I completely agree with you - just imagine the cost of keeping all those other chicks alive, just so at the end of the day people could have some eggs. But there's really no way to say that without sounding insensitive, even though it's totally true.

      Would people have a problem if those thicks were killed humanely, no pain or suffering?
      No i would not because it's a quick painless death, but i guess whatever works best/cheaper is the better option. We are all going to die anyway, they just get born before they are supposed to be born and die before they are supposed to be born. Life is not fair, life is a sack of shit so adapt and move on or cry about it.

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