According to the LAW, paying taxes is voluntary

[Kuhnada29]

Anyone ever heard of a book called "Crack the code: the fascinating truth about taxation in America"? The author is Peter Hendrickson. No I am not a tax protester...but the things in this book are FACT. Words like income, employee and employer are not what they seem and don't seem to apply to us regular workers. There isn't a law that says we even have to pay taxes...but yet we are fined and jail for refusing to pay taxes. I don't understand how the guy lost this case in court though, what he says is correct. There really is no law saying we must pay income taxes. Even former IRS agents have said the same thing.

[Xaqaria]

This is true, but you should still be prepared for a long and probably losing battle if you decide not to pay your taxes. Unfortunately, there are mountains of legal precedence against people who don't pay taxes which essentially amounts to being 'law' in itself. It is also illegal for banks to foreclose on your property if you don't pay your mortgage. If you've seen Zeitgeist: Addendum, you may remember what I'm talking about. After watching that movie, I researched the case that it mentions in which a man brought a bank to court and won. The mortgage contract required both parties put forth equal "consideration". The man's consideration was his house, but the bank's was an amount of money that, through the practices of fractional lending, was created at the time of the loan and since there is no law that allows banks to do that, the judge ruled that the money that was created with the loan was not equal consideration and he was allowed to keep his house. Once again though, if a lot of people stopped paying their mortgages and took banks to court, judges would essentially take the law into their own hands and rule against the people out of some misguided desire to 'preserve the economy.' In this society, all considerations are secondary to the economy.

[Kuhnada29]

Mods can we delete this thread. I'm taking this to ATS

[MementoMori]

lol,

[Alric]

There is what is legal, and then there is what will get you arrested. Even if its illegal to arrest someone for not paying income tax, you will still get arrested. It was illegal for bush to wiretap american citizens without a court order, but he did it any way.

[Xaqaria]

There is what is legal, and then there is what will get you arrested. Even if its illegal to arrest someone for not paying income tax, you will still get arrested. It was illegal for bush to wiretap american citizens without a court order, but he did it any way. Then again, the only reason why our government is able to do things like that is because we all go along with it.

[SkA_DaRk_Che]

This is true, but you should still be prepared for a long and probably losing battle if you decide not to pay your taxes. Unfortunately, there are mountains of legal precedence against people who don't pay taxes which essentially amounts to being 'law' in itself. Not necessarily so. Only in Countries without a (formal) constitutions do previous legal precedences make the law (in lieu of a constitution). As far as i know, it shouldn't work this way when we already have a constitution and legal legislation which should guide the hand of lawyers and judges, not past rulings.

[Alric]

It is not supposed to work that way, though the courts often run like this any way, and take great importance in how old cases were ruled. Techincally the president can not declear war either, but you see how they found a way around that years ago. They simply send troops some where, and don't declear war. They can remain there for years fighting, without ever having decleared anything legally.

[Kuhnada29]

It is not supposed to work that way, though the courts often run like this any way, and take great importance in how old cases were ruled. Techincally the president can not declear war either, but you see how they found a way around that years ago. They simply send troops some where, and don't declear war. They can remain there for years fighting, without ever having decleared anything legally. what does that mean then. That Laws don't mean shit anymore. The government leads...we follow. Society is just too scared. Not saying people should run down the streets and riot. But the government is our leader, and the people WILL follow. But I'll be god damned if you stick a computer chip in me...fuck them, they can shove that chip deep up their rectum cavity and suck my dick til i cum all over their faces. I'M the fuckin New World Order.

[Naiya]

Yeah, I remember seeing this in Zeitgheist, it was pretty interesting. But basically it boils down to whether or not you want to go to jail on that principle. Because many people have already tried that argument and it apparently doesn't hold up in court. Unfortunately, law is based on precedence, unless forced to do otherwise. That's also why it is so dangerous for a new precedent to be set without anyone fighting it (i.e., a president "declaring" war, or starting a war and then getting the consent of Congress later).

[Alric]

It means that the government gets away with whatever we let them.

[Xei]

But I'll be god damned if you stick a computer chip in me...fuck them, they can shove that chip deep up their rectum cavity and suck my dick til i cum all over their faces. Ok.

[Kuhnada29]

i had a few when i said that lol