Thread: The Great Global Warming Swindle

Discuss.

I've always thought of the issue of Global Warming as being extremely politicized and therefore it would be hard to sift through what was politically charged propaganda (for lack of a better word) and what was accurate.

"edit" watching the video, will comment after i've seen the first part.

Can you provide a discussion point as well as a link to the full video?

Originally Posted by grasshoppa

Can you provide a discussion point as well as a link to the full video?

I would rather leave it very open. I don't want to limit the discussion to anything other than the general subjects of global warming, the politics involved, and the claims made in the documentary.

Each next part of the video is to the right of each video. For example, Part 2 is to the right of the screen for Part 1.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I would rather leave it very open. I don't want to limit the discussion to anything other than the general subjects of global warming, the politics involved, and the claims made in the documentary.

Each next part of the video is to the right of each video. For example, Part 2 is to the right of the screen for Part 1.

Ah ok, I just watched the embed. I'll post after I've finished watching.

Hard... sure makes you think (hadn't heard this yet).

There's plenty wrong with this 'documentary', but suffice it to say a couple of the scientists in it claim they were mis-quoted and poorly edited to make their opinions conform to the premise of the film. Also, some of the graphs you see in the show are completely fabricated because "the public doesn't want to see lots of squiggly lines". The director is a very angry man who displays little if any professionalism. Take a quick read of the criticism page on the wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_G..._and_criticism

Yeah, I thought there would be some scientists making claims like that. I feel sort of a need to become a climate scientist myself so I can really know what the deal is. Something very corrupt is going on, one way or another.

I'm not convinced by AGW, but this documentary was largely bunk. There's a really convincing bit in it where they plotted CO2 and temperature on a graph, but if I remember rightly they totally fudged the data, cutting off data from the 80s or some time because it didn't fit, and changing the rest.

There's so much agenda on either side of the debate that it's really extremely hard now to work out what's propaganda and what's science without investing quite a bit of time.

Originally Posted by Xei

There's so much agenda on either side of the debate that it's really extremely hard now to work out what's propaganda and what's science without investing quite a bit of time.

Yep. You can't really trust anybody in a position of scientific "authority" on the issue of global warming.

Originally Posted by Xei

There's so much agenda on either side of the debate that it's really extremely hard now to work out what's propaganda and what's science without investing quite a bit of time.

Agreed. It is so easy to be persuaded by one side or the other. To be honest I was impressed with the videos, but to hear that they fabricated data just annoys the hell out of me. It's like the two sides of the climate change debate are the same people just trying to confuse the shit out of everyone for some diabolical reason.

Originally Posted by Xei

if I remember rightly they totally fudged the data, cutting off data from the 80s or some time because it didn't fit, and changing the rest.

Where did you get that?

We don't even need science to realize that pumping noxious fumes can't be good.

It's shown that near large amount of factories, life spans are shorter.

P.S. Alextanium

Co2 is necessary for our life, Co2 is necessary in the process of Photosynthesis where it binds Co2 and H20 together using the sun to make CH20 and oxygen.

Without this process, their would be no mammals probably only Archaebacteria, bacteria.... maybe...

What I meant was if you waved a magic wand and removed all CO2 from the world right now, the exhalation of all living heterotrophs, along with volcanic outgassing would restore the balance in short order. I'm not advocating that there is no place in the life cycle for CO2, quite the opposite infact.