Thread: Do you want to force Liberalism on the Muslim World?

Generalization much? I don't know any liberals that condone Sharia law...

Conservatism = oppression of people who aren't like those in control. The official religion of Dubai is islam, what about the 7% (according to what I can find) who aren't muslim? Imposing muslim laws on non-muslims is oppression.

Spartiate, my mistake, I didn't mean full sharia law, I meant the european thing where they have sharia courts deciding who gets custody based on sharia rather than English Law for example.

Ninja, are you calling Dubai opressive of non muslims? Surly those who chose to go to dubai, either as a short term tourist or a longer term immigrant should accept that Dubai is a muslim country and adhere to those muslim rules?

Originally Posted by Thatperson

Ninja, are you calling Dubai opressive of non muslims? Surly those who chose to go to dubai, either as a short term tourist or a longer term immigrant should accept that Dubai is a muslim country and adhere to those muslim rules?

Ninja is not talking about tourists. Tourists are a special case in every country. He is talking about the non-muslims who live there. Its much the same as muslims living in europe and expecting everyone to cater around their religion. However, the opposite does not seem to be true in Muslim states. That is hypocrisy at its finest.

I wrote up a response but deleted it because the OP was terribly written. Can you please expound on what you mean, Thatperson?

What he seems to be saying is that the same person that would call another person a bigot for arguing against muslim influences in their own community would argue for liberalization of muslim countries. This appears to be a contradiction and so he is asking how one can remain liberal and still want others to change to fit their way of life. I personally don't know a whole lot of liberals that are for the wars in the middle east so I can't say I agree with the OP.

The OP to me seems more like a generalized attack on all "Liberals" (the label thrown around in almost every single sentence, including the thread title) and less about any sort of logical argument. I don't care much for Fox News-like tea bagger rants.

I don't know what you mean by the contradiction, as I haven't met anybody who thinks like that.

Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer

The OP to me seems more like a generalized attack on all "Liberals" (the label thrown around in almost every single sentence, including the thread title) and less about any sort of logical argument. I don't care much for Fox News-like tea bagger rants.

I don't know what you mean by the contradiction, as I haven't met anybody who thinks like that.

....i don't....i don't think thatperson is an american. Has the tea party gone international?!

Originally Posted by tkdyo

Ninja is not talking about tourists. Tourists are a special case in every country. He is talking about the non-muslims who live there. Its much the same as muslims living in europe and expecting everyone to cater around their religion. However, the opposite does not seem to be true in Muslim states. That is hypocrisy at its finest.

Do you think that muslim states should cater around around our religions? I recognise that it is hypocrisiy but it also applies for the 'social liberals', they critisise the muslim world for not bowing down to us but then advocate islamification in the west

They want the west to become more middle eastern and the middle east to become more western.

Just like every other social group, you have some liberals who basically complain about anything without putting too much thought into it. Unfortunately these people are the loudest and therefore the most often heard. A lot more liberals are more down-to-Earth and less "contradictory" if you will.

I think what you may be seeing is that in your home country, some people are advocating complete freedom to practise whatever (including muslim religious practises). These same people are also advocating complete freedom to practise whatever in muslim countries (basically any non-muslim practises).

I don't think it's about westernizing the Middle-East and islamicising Europe. It's more about just letting both sides do whatever the hell they want.

That being said, there are some elements of muslim culture that simply cannot be transfered into the West.

The contradition i'm refering to is they claim they they support freedom and say anyone who opposes islamification is oppresive (in whatever country they live in) yet wan't to force their views on others (the muslim world). Maybe it is just because they are the loudest but it's quite commonplace in the UK, at least to the fact that they think Dubai should not have imprisoned the public kissers as an example.

Originally Posted by Thatperson

The contradition i'm refering to is they claim they they support freedom and say anyone who opposes islamification is oppresive (in whatever country they live in) yet wan't to force their views on others (the muslim world). Maybe it is just because they are the loudest but it's quite commonplace in the UK, at least to the fact that they think Dubai should not have imprisoned the public kissers as an example.

How on Earth is that a contradiction? Spartiate's post applies to this. They support individual rights, not the rights of a government to make oppressive laws. Though the example of banning public kissing is a bad one seeing as each society has a threshold of what is deemed to be unacceptable public displays of affection.

I suppose i've misunderstood liberalism then, thanks for clarifying, it makes sense now.

Originally Posted by Thatperson

Do you think that muslim states should cater around around our religions? I recognise that it is hypocrisiy but it also applies for the 'social liberals', they critisise the muslim world for not bowing down to us but then advocate islamification in the west

They want the west to become more middle eastern and the middle east to become more western.

well, I see you already understand what liberalism truly is from the other's posts, but for the record, no I dont think any state should cater around any religion at all.