Life May Be A Dream

[james1951]

When I consider that a dream is merely the firing of synapses, the moving of electrons, and then I consider the sub atomic nature of what we perceive to be physical reality, it seems to me there may be a direct correlation.

[StaySharp]

Now that's a little short, and given the limits you bestow upon this thought I dare say it has to be related somehow. I don't think enough though to actually call life itself a dream. If you want to spark an actual discussion you should write down a little more detail.

[Crashyy]

My English isn't that advanced so I have no idea what you're talking about lol. I just get the title xD. But sometimes I do think life's just a dream and when we 'die' we actually just wake up. <--- Doesn't make any sense at all, but that would be sick!

[james1951]

I am perusing the idea that since life itself when viewed from a subatomic level is just the movement of electrons, and we know that dreaming or firing synapses is just the movement of electrons that they are very similar indeed, why does it have to be long and complicated to present a valid idea. Maybe that is how simple life really is and people make it complicated by adding all kinds of superfluous "details". WE are just the dream of a collective mind that has given the characters within its dream, self awareness and self determination.

[Carrot]

And so I can say that the people I interact with in real life are dream characters since we perceive a person differently from who they actually are.

[james1951]

And so I can say that the people I interact with in real life are dream characters since we perceive a person differently from who they actually are. But then the persona you envision yourself as is also a dream character and you and your other dream characters are part of the same collective mind doing the dreaming. Sounds a lot like a God concept to me.

[Carrot]

But then the persona you envision yourself as is also a dream character and you and your other dream characters are part of the same collective mind doing the dreaming. Sounds a lot like a God concept to me. Not exactly. Although I do have a perception of myself, the main difference is I have the ability to change myself. Well that sounded exactly like lucid dreaming.

[james1951]

But the ability to change ones self is a common characteristic of the god concept. As is self determination and free will. If I\you\everyone as the collective consciousness dreamer give each of our characters I\you\everyone self determination in our lucid dream, then we are indeed god and this perception of reality is just our lucid dream. Everything occurs within our mind even though we may perceive it comes from an actual outside physical source, it does not.That moon you see up in the sky is not in real time. By the time the light reflected from the sun hits your eye whatever was occurring on the moon at the time the light left the moon is over and now in the past, it no longer exists as such and whether or not it exists at this moment cannot really be known because we can only experience that which is already past before we even experience it. Everything we know, all our experiences really takes place within our mind just like our dreams. How can we be sure that any experience is a real one as opposed to an imagined one?

[Carrot]

What about others' treatment to us which causes us to be sad? Betrayal, etc?

[Dreygoth]

Kill yourself then? HAHA.

[Carrot]

Kill yourself then? HAHA. And so we'll get rebirth in another dream? I guess that's the difference, but the only problem is those who are dead never came back to tell us what comes next.

[Dreygoth]

And so we'll get rebirth in another dream? I guess that's the difference, but the only problem is those who are dead never came back to tell us what comes next. Or we just rot and die, but if we are put into another dream that would be interesting... Im sure if that was confirmed people would be killing themselves left and right... lol Rolling to become Megan Fox's undies... did u ever see that family guy epiosde?

[Carrot]

Or we just rot and die, but if we are put into another dream that would be interesting... Im sure if that was confirmed people would be killing themselves left and right... lol What you just said reminded me of Inception. That creepy thought that we're unable to differentiate between reality and dream that got me thinking so much and doing reality checks without noticing that I ended up getting my first lucid. I don't like the thought that if life's a dream, we can just kill ourselves and we'll end up in another dream. If there's afterlife, that statement makes sense in that way but isn't it more important to break the cycle?

[james1951]

What about others' treatment to us which causes us to be sad? Betrayal, etc? How many times do people betray themselves? How many masochists are out there, let alone sadists and murderers. Those who are polluting and destroying our world are harming themselves and their families as well. Those who threaten us with a nuclear holocaust, will not escape its effects on themselves. We smoke, overeat, become addicts, and the list goes on and on. If we perceive of others as a separate entity then we are just choosing that perception. A body is not just a hand or a foot or a head, it is all of those parts working in unison. Sometimes there is a sickness or cancer in and of the body which attacks the body, Likewise with the body we perceive of as mankind. This is the creation in which each part of its body been given self determination. We need to pull ourselves together as one body and cure the cancer that has overtaken us.

[james1951]

And so we'll get rebirth in another dream? I guess that's the difference, but the only problem is those who are dead never came back to tell us what comes next. It does not matter, all we have is now. There is no coming back because the past is forever gone and the future has not arrived, it is ALWAYS now. Maybe we continue in the now as a different life force having the chance to get more experience to add to the collective consciousness. But if we were to know within our current now situation that we could just end it and start anew, how many people would never learn from the experience that they had cut short and keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Hopefully in some way the collective mind learns from all these experiences and after it has experienced the ultimate destruction of itself in a nuclear holocaust for example, if it continues to exist it will create a new life experience based on what it has learned from its mistakes.

[james1951]

What you just said reminded me of Inception. That creepy thought that we're unable to differentiate between reality and dream that got me thinking so much and doing reality checks without noticing that I ended up getting my first lucid. I don't like the thought that if life's a dream, we can just kill ourselves and we'll end up in another dream. If there's afterlife, that statement makes sense in that way but isn't it more important to break the cycle? Many people are dead before they even are born, which begs the question when does life begin. Is it true that we experience at some point in the womb what is taking place outside of it and are born with preconceptions based on those prebirth experiences? Others die as toddlers, so the length of life may not be as important as what we learn from it. I would suppose in a longer life you can learn more if you are willing to put up with the instruction period necessary to learn your lesson well enough to not repeat it in the next cycle if there is one. But you also allude to my question of when does a dream become lucid. If I become awake/half awake and realize I have been dreaming something I do not like, then with my consciousness I make changes to that dream, it becomes something entirely different in the process. If I begin a day dream , I start out with an entirely different premise than if I start one when I am asleep (I am assuming).

[james1951]

I just had the idea that if life is like a dream, it may be possible to use the Lucid Dreaming technique to affect change in ones daily life as well. Sort of like "The Secret" or Power of Positive Thinking concept. There is no such thing as a coincidence someone said. I will consider my discovery of this message board, with that in mind.

[Ewan]

Well everything around us is all in the mind, so it's possible. But then dream means something completely different.

[james1951]

Well everything around us is all in the mind, so it's possible. But then dream means something completely different. Hmm? Does dream mean something completely different ...... or ......... is life something completely different and not at all what we think it is. Is life ... just a dream.

[TwoCrystalCups]

This post is actually confusing me lol. But i do know dreams sometimes use predictions for what will happen in real life, so life is connected to dreams and dreams is connected to life.

[james1951]

This post is actually confusing me lol. But i do know dreams sometimes use predictions for what will happen in real life, so life is connected to dreams and dreams is connected to life. How much more convincing is that for me if I consider that life is a dream that we perceive as a physical reality and since everything exists as now of course you can tap in to any part of the dream and discover what the reality you perceive of as the future will be.

[quassom]

On a subatomic level everything is just electrons and atoms and whatnot moving. Dreams just happen to also work that way. Just because fire happens because of electrons moving doesn't mean that life is on fire.