Thread: Summoning

That sounds like another thread to me, but I would love to discuss that with you. I too believe it is possible... well... I believe everything is possible.. But I, personally, believe that it is most likely that we ARE one consciousness.

So, anyway..
If what you say is true, then location would be a factor, and perhaps it isn't as hard to 'target' someone as I thought it would be.
That's a disappointment though, because I was hoping that was what I was doing wrong.

-sloth

Try getting the person to also think about you for any reason. I find that usually helps. I hate to say it but when the person is perplexed toward me is when I have the best results. See they're spending a significant amount of thought energy on you which helps the connection. Understand?

Yeah.. I'll give 'er a try.

Shared dreaming has nothing to do with science. Period.

Originally Posted by Follower;

That's lame You exchanged the word I used for another pretending that it changed the context, and then completely ignored the rest of my message
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Wait. What? I'm sorry. Which word?

...What did I do now? *scratches his head* I'm really tired.

Well i got to this thread a little late int he game, but i have thought about this possibility before Taltho and i think that with practice or ability to lucid dream on command that it could be somethign to explore much more in depth.

I am not that experienced when it comes to full LD-ing. I can , but i do not practice as much as i should. The same can be said for this idea of 'calling'. I have talked to my girlfriend abou this before and told her that i would try my hardest to contact her while dreaming. It did not work of course because i believe that you must first be an LD-ing expert before moving on to this possibility.

I am a little disheartened by a lot of the "thats impossible" and "just can't happen" responses that a lot of the DV-ers have put up here. how many times has someone said that to you about Lucid Dreaming??

One person said that it is impossible because you cannot share minds. That is under the assumption that it is strictly through and in your mind that you dream. I would like to focus more on the possibility that the mind is a medium for an astral-like-projection of thoughts to a neutral postion outside of the mind, like a Hub of some sort through which communication can be made if both people communicating were high-end LD-ers and could recall the entire dream the next day to confirm the results.

I don't think that a LD-er and a non-LD-er could come up with difinitive notes or writings about the "dream-meeting" if only one of them has the practised power of LD-ing and extreme dream recall. The LD-er could say it happened, and it could have really happened, but there would be no way to confirm because the person with whom they interacted cannot LD or recall dreams as well as an LD-er can.

I think this is a great topic and am open to open minded discussion.

I accept every possibility,
And believe nothing...

Originally Posted by sloth

I accept every possibility,
And believe nothing...
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What he said.

Just because something isn't proven, or doesn't seem likely, doesn't mean it can't happen.

As far as shared dreaming goes, it has neither been proved possible or impossible.

My $0.02

All murders are caused by little red fibers.

Originally Posted by Follower;

What weed is that?
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No no.
They always find little red fibers on the clothes of murder victims. The little red fibers always 'lead to the killer', but I think we need to look past this. It's the fibers themselves that are doing the killing!!!
Why didn't we see it sooner!?

Originally Posted by BohmaN

Shared dreaming has nothing to do with science. Period.
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Every thing is scientific, dreams are a part of our mind and that suggests to me that it falls under the study of consciousness/subconsciousness. Your statement isthe same as saying something like flying is not scientific. Dreaming is a science mot yet entirely formulated.
Again everything is science and the dream world is no exception. It's just uncharted.

Sorry thats just plain ignorance on your part. No offense.

Originally Posted by BohmaN

Actually the shared dreaming is telepathy.
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Yes it is and if one where to study consciousness one could also begin to formulate a science to it.

Originally Posted by BohmaN

That can work. When something unusual happens it's hard to fail to recall it, and if you can remember the information you were given that you couldn't get any other way, it's validation enough.
The problem is how do you learn to be the one to walk into someone's dream?
I suppose that if we could find the answer to this question we'd have another problem, how do you protect yourself from being visited?wink.gif Anyone who'd learn to dreamwalk well would be able to see your deepest desires, study you, and maybe even zombify you. I imagine zombification would be possible, it's just hypnosis, the other person gets an access to your subconscious, while you're unconscious. What a grim picture wink.gif
When I think of possible consequences I almost wish that dreamsharing is never officially proven to be possible. Personal knowledge is of no matter. But an official confirmation of shared dreaming would be like the invention of a nuclear bomb. Maybe it turns out to be harmless and impossible to be used as means to influence others, but if not, it will be used against us. icon_sad.gif
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This is a very interesting notion. Don't you think that if the possibility is real someone, somewhere has developed it's use? Now, also don't you think that it would be wise to figure it out ot protect yourself?
I've never looked at this in this way, very interesting, I'll have to give it some thought.


Conforming Non-Conformist, the dream world, whatever that is, is highly uncharted, Tera-incognito , and has many avenues to explore and be brought to a scientific understanding, including LDing. People too often, through ignorance refuse to look at the evidence placed before them that is meant to prove/suggest the existence of something they reject simply as being impossible. I've put forth a fair amount of evidence for one to ponder the possibility of calling, it's interesting to me that some seem to not see it or just ignore the material altogether. I think it possibly has to do with fear. Do you think fear may be a cause?

Science is based on evidence and telepathy, as you suggest shared dreaming is based on, has no evidence, hence it's not science but belief. If you have any scientific proofs I'm interested to read about it.

People are always fearful at first of things they cannot understand or do not want to understand. I think this is a well known constant by now.
Information and research has to be made available for those sceptics who, instead of approaching an idea with an open mind , immediately refute it without any say as to why or any arguement.

As i hone my Ld-ing skills this will be a project for myself to be involved in. I mean, if it is a possibility that can be proven or disproven or can be experienced while here in this world then i'm all for it.

Jst because you are open to an idea, doesn't mean you believe it.
C'mon. You know better than that.

exactly
thanx, now you have saved me writing nine words!

If you think that what you believe is right and never give other ideas a chance, you’re stuck forever. You don’t have to believe in two gods and worship them, but it’s good if you can give credence to possible truthfulness of any idea and to possible wrongness of yours.

Originally Posted by CloudOne;

Don't want to sound rude but telepathy theory is funny.[/b]

Don’t want to sound rude, but god’s existence theory is funny.
Just fighting you with your own weapons…

Yeah, there are billions of stupid people who believe in God's existence and of course telepathy is possible. Quitting this discussion, can't stop laughing.

You don't seem to understand that god's existance is just as unproven as telepathy. The 'rank' of these things is the same.

First of all god is something requiring faith without experience or avenue of proof, at least dreaming, using the consciousness/subconsciousness can be studied and potentially proven by science.

Oh well I'll just keep my experiences to myself then. Obviously no one else here has had a similar experience...oh well.

What? No!
Don't keep your experiences to yourself just because a bunch of jerks tell you you're wrong. (LOL! Take that, guys. ) This forum is about learning.

Originally Posted by Follower;

He's just sad that noone seems to care for his experiences, I think
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No I really don't care especially since I don't live with you guys. After all I'm the one who knows not you.

I have my experiences regardless of what you all think. So ha.
I know what I know thats all that I need, and it's obviously too much for your brains to handle, oh fearful ones... I'll see you in my dreams... and so shall you. haha

"I got carsick in your office!" -Ralph

Originally Posted by Follower

You don't seem to understand that god's existance is just as unproven as telepathy. The 'rank' of these things is the same.
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Please, stop joking! Believing in God's existence is NOT about scientificaly proving it while telepathy and green aliens on Mars has to be proved by scientists that something like that exists. Until it is proven it doesn't exist. And no, it is NOT the same.

My last answer in this topic. Bye.

Yes, I can summon objects/people/creatures into my lucid dreams. But mostly I do not; instead I walk around until I simply find them, as it is easier.