Information dream!?

[DeathShad0]

I just had a dream that I can remember perfectly... It was in 3rd person so I could see myself. The weird part was, I was sleeping...in my dream, and I was at the foot of my bed looking at myself. Then I suddenly sat up in my bed with my eyes wide open and I was doing math equations I don't know in real life, as a matter of fact I'm terrible at math. I was doing all this complex math so fast it was amazing... and I could see thousands of numbers flashing in my eyes as I said it with a blank expression. Does this mean something? Maybe I can unlock it and use the damn math thats apparently locked away in my brain? lol

[redfirekill1]

It means you are the chosen one! At last!

[Elwood]

It means you are the chosen one! At last! Lolz

[Posquant]

It means you are the chosen one! At last! Yes. Likely. One of them. We're all channels, more or less. Energy. Information. Everything is. But we don't all just snicker and mock. So. The end game is a bit of a numbers game. [Snicker snicker?] But it's real enough. Dreams can provide very real information from the farest reaches. Modern math has taken great leaps through some dreams. Look up Ramanujan, dreaming the math behind string theory. Chemistry, too. Benzene rings visualized in a dream. PQ

[TempletonEsquire]

As a teenager before I went to college I'd have these lucid dreams where I would wake up in the dream and on my walls was written in green marker, my walls being white, countless equations. I tried to understand and record them, but I didn't know enough to recognize anything in the equation. After I went through college and learned how to recognize higher math and physics equations, no longer do I have the dreams. It's as if I was just being taunted with my own inability to understand.

[Mzzkc]

Yes. Likely. One of them. We're all channels, more or less. Energy. Information. Everything is. But we don't all just snicker and mock. So. The end game is a bit of a numbers game. [Snicker snicker?] But it's real enough. Dreams can provide very real information from the farest reaches. Modern math has taken great leaps through some dreams. Look up Ramanujan, dreaming the math behind string theory. Chemistry, too. Benzene rings visualized in a dream. PQ Srs bznz. OP: You had a dream where you were doing Math you didn't understand and that probably doesn't exist. It doesn't mean anything.

[Posquant]

Srs bznz. OP: You had a dream where you were doing Math you didn't understand and that probably doesn't exist. It doesn't mean anything. No. Try to pay attention. He SAW the math, dream-wise. Then he studied and saw math, and (if it was the similar) he was frustrated because [he could not reproduce? understand? remember? calculate] what he had dream-seen. Does THAT mean anything? Does observing, seeing, reading, typing, saying, paying attention mean anything? Before you say "yes"...remember ... "probably"... means "everything". (Good instinct: You said "...math that probably doesn't exist." Sometimes I give hard advice: Try not to shrink everything you encounter to fit everything you can understand...you might understand more that way ... and not mind. PQ

[Mzzkc]

No. Try to pay attention. I was paying attention. I don't say anything unless I'm very sure of my thoughts, and it takes a helluva lot of logic and reasoning (preferably in the form of a proof) to convince me otherwise. He SAW the math, dream-wise. Then he studied and saw math, You put off the impression that you think dreams, and their contents, are infallible. This is untrue. Information learned in dreams, about a topic you know very little to nothing of, is rarely right. and (if it was the similar) he was frustrated because [he could not reproduce? understand? remember? calculate] what he had dream-seen. No. Try to pay attention. The OP never said anything like that. Does THAT mean anything? Does observing, seeing, reading, typing, saying, paying attention mean anything? All observations are made through subjective realities. To the observer, an event such as the ones you mentioned might mean something, but they could well mean very little. It's all relative. Before you say "yes"...remember ... "probably"... means "everything". (Good instinct: You said "...math that probably doesn't exist." Again, I pick my words very carefully. I used "probably" here to let the reader know that, without more information, a proper conclusion cannot be made. However, it's more than probable that the math does not exist. Is there a chance that the experience was real? Yes. I myself have been presented with information in dreams, that I could not have possibly known, that proved to be verifiable upon waking. Those were lucid dreams though, and the circumstances were always special. The OP's dream wasn't even lucid, which brings into question its coherency. Sometimes I give hard advice: Try not to shrink everything you encounter to fit everything you can understand...you might understand more that way ... and not mind. You underestimate my ability to comprehend advanced concepts. Seriously, you have no idea what I'm capable of. Anyone else would be offended, but making assumptions about people, on a whim, with very little information to go on, is actually pretty common. Don't get me wrong, it still pisses me off. I just don't take it personally. PQ Things like this have always rubbed me the wrong way.

[Posquant]

I was paying attention. I don't say anything unless I'm very sure of my thoughts, and it takes a helluva lot of logic and reasoning (preferably in the form of a proof) to convince me otherwise. I wasn't asking you to be sure of your thoughts. I asked you to be sure you were thinking about what was proposed. Patience is a virtue. Please re-read what you wrote. You need proof that you're not sure of your thoughts? The guy said he saw the math. He didn't "do" it. You misquoted. Try using "quotation marks." Maybe your writing, syntax, grammar needs work. Writing is a strange thing. Requires iteration, much patience, self questioning. Personally, I usually find I don't really know what I think until I write it out in a way I'd be happy to present for real - to clients, publishers. Do you carefully re-read your writing, put yourself in your audience's shoes, before you post? Do it a few times. Revise? Try it. No. Try to pay attention. The OP never said anything like that. I was careful enough to use [brackets]. You were not careful enough to notice. Enough. Things like this have always rubbed me the wrong way. Like what? Whatever. Not my job. PQ

[Mzzkc]

You know, I almost didn't respond. You've brought our otherwise respectable debate down into the realms of thinly veiled personal attacks. Furthermore, you failed to address my most poignant rebuttals. Good job. I think it's only fair that I try to clear things up. The old me would have ripped you a new one, but I'll hold back, for now. After all, I think you're under the impression that you're helping me somehow. At least, that's what it looks like on the surface, and I don't want to make assumptions, so I'll leave it at that. I wasn't asking you to be sure of your thoughts. I asked you to be sure you were thinking about what was proposed. Talk about semantics. It's impossible for me to be sure of my thoughts until I've carefully considered every conceivable avenue regarding the subject matter. I thought extensively about what was proposed and presented the basics of my conclusions in previous posts. Patience is a virtue. I don't think I've ever heard that one before. Thank you for enlightening me. Please re-read what you wrote. You need proof that you're not sure of your thoughts? The guy said he saw the math. He didn't "do" it. You misquoted. Try using "quotation marks." Talk about a misquote. Hell, a quick search will find I never once used the word "do" in my previous post. Unless you're talking about: "You had a dream where you were doing Math you didn't understand and that probably doesn't exist." In which case I cite the OP: "Then I suddenly sat up in my bed with my eyes wide open and I was doing math equations I don't know in real life, as a matter of fact I'm terrible at math." Also, a brief review of my post will show I did use quotation marks, when appropriate. But if you need more proof of my ability to use quotations, I just reiterated the point in the above paragraph. Right now, it's hard for me to believe you actually read what I wrote in the first place, let alone the OP. Maybe your writing, syntax, grammar needs work. Writing is a strange thing. Requires iteration, much patience, self questioning. Personally, I usually find I don't really know what I think until I write it out in a way I'd be happy to present for real - to clients, publishers. Heh, these statements are rife with irony. Way to make my day. I would use an emoticon here, but if my word choice isn't expressing my emotions clearly enough, then my writing does, in fact, need work. Do you carefully re-read your writing, put yourself in your audience's shoes, before you post? Yes I do. The tone was intentional; I'm glad it came across the way I meant it to. Do it a few times. Revise? Try it. Yeah, as an Enlgish minor, if I didn't already know the basics of the writing process, then I think I'd be in trouble. I was careful enough to use [brackets]. You were not careful enough to notice. If you were truly posing questions in those brackets, then a simple check over the OP would have cleared them up. If those were assumptions, then this is the crap I was talking about before. Either way, I saw your brackets, and telling you to pay attention to the information being presented was a perfectly valid response. Enough. You couldn't take the time to respond to the important points, eh? Like what? Signing forum posts seems odd to me, that's all. Whatever. Not my job. I never said it was. Sign your posts all you want, I was just voicing my opinion on the matter.

[Posquant]

Apologies. I wrote that exhausted, really went off on a tangent and also failed to take my own advice. As you correctly note, OP did did say he "did" the math. Straight up. I deserve the criticism and appreciate your insistence on not being misunderstood or misrepresented. Can we re-focus? You wrote: "OP: You had a dream where you were doing Math you didn't understand and that probably doesn't exist. It doesn't mean anything." I am interested in how we know. So-called "epistemology". How can you say the math "probably doesn't exist"? Why not "maybe does", instead? Ever hear of Godel? Cantor? The set of all coherent maths is .... large. I gave two counterexamples of real information coming from dreams. Ramanujan and benzene. And I have had my own dream experiences with weird math, too coherent to simply dismiss as random hallucinations. So... I'm interested in how you can know what cannot be. What is impossible? How do you know OP couldn't channel real math? What sort of ontology, logic, physics is required, to say so surely that information like that, so anomalous and coherent ..."doesn't mean anything". Is your view that dreams simply cannot (normally? subject to what?) bring information about actual existence - can't be more than just hallucination of the dreamer? You assume this? You have never seen it disproven? (I gave two counterexamples.) Or you have proven it, seen it proven? But you said the math "probably doesn't exist." So ... what would be the conditions for it to exist; or, to be directly perceived by OP, if the math somehow (remotely) does exist? Something about OP, his brain, those on the other side...about reality itself? Have you ever considered ... information theory, complexity, quantum information, quantum consciousness, the multiverse, infinity? I see and respect your diligence, ambition, and rigour. You seem hungry for the truth. If you haven't yet digested the above theories/concepts ... do. ...

[Mzzkc]

See, now we're getting somewhere. You're right. I can't know the math presented to him was not real. However, I can know (due to the given information), that unlike Ramanujan and Stradonitz, the OP is not well versed, or naturally adept, in this particular field of study. I firmly believe that, without the OP being able to coherently recall and understand the math presented to him, and then being able to apply that math in waking life, no true meaning can be drawn from this particular experience. If sometime down the road this happens again, and he can utilize the information properly, then I will be happy to admit I was wrong. I do, however, believe that dreams can hold deeper meaning beyond what we can normally perceive. As I said before, I have been presented with information in dreams that I previously had no knowledge of. I was then able to verify most of that information upon waking. So, was it rash of me to be so matter of fact about it, without explaining my reasoning? Yeah, but that's how I roll. Is it bad logic to do that kind of thing? Very much so. Sometimes, I fail to realize other people can't see all the connections I'm making in my brain. It's something I'm working on. Also, I have considered all of those ideas, and I was 90% sure they were what you've been hinting at all along. I just didn't want to jump to any conclusions. Instead, I was waiting for you to bring them up. I'm a fan of these theories and have been meaning to get around to studying them in more detail, but in order to do that I would need a better grasp on M-Theory, and I haven't put much effort into learning about that, as of yet. Right now, I only know the basics, and how they allow these ideas to be possible. I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to hold my own for very long in a discussion related to these topics. Regardless, I hope we can reach a consensus here. Or at least agree to disagree. Since there's not enough evidence to build a solid case, either one of us could be right, and I don't do right/wrong debates. They're pointless and always end badly.

[Posquant]

Mzzkc, how are you? I've been consumed with work the last few years. How go your dreams? Mine continue ... just as weird as ever.

[Posquant]

Hi friend. Did you see anything else interesting?

[Mzzkc]

7 years... Last we talked I was a year into university and so very, very sure of myself. Not so much nowadays. =) My dreams are less frequent now, as I too find myself consumed by waking responsibilities. Hope you're well.