This is fun/cool/awesome etc. to read and all... but what exactly you think about all of this yourself. Huy?
And with that I mean: I personally think it's all just made up by your subconscious and stuff, not "another place" like dimension or whatever.
But I am interested to hear, that what you think of it?
Hey Hyu, you should ask Yuya if it is possible for her to jog your memory somehow. I doubt it is possible, but I think it would result in a very interesting experience. What ever Yuya is, she sounds very special. I would ask her all kinds of questions, probably to the point of annoyance lol. :P
Well... this is quite hard to answer, but I will try.Quote:
Originally Posted by CyperAleksi
Be prepared for a wall of text though...
You already know how I feel about it during the dreams (everything feels real), but being awake I have a split opinion about it.
Some background information: (tl;dr)
I know I had many lucid dreams as a child. I also knew Yuya was in some of them.
I also remember that a lot of dreams played in a fantasy world.
When I first had these dreams I was very young, though I can't tell you how old I was.
During that time (and basically up to a few months ago), I had no-one to talk to. (when I was a child, people would tell me I made up these stories)
To make things worse I didn't fully understand the difference between dreaming and waking life.
Don't get me wrong, I could easily tell them apart, and I knew my dreams wouldn't influence my waking life, but I didn't know that dreams were "not real".
I always assumed sometimes at night I would just live another life.
As I grew older, I started trying to rationalize dreams.
I didn't know that expectations played a role... I didn't know anything at all.
At some point I decided that none of it was real, mostly because that's what I was taught, "dreams aren't real".
My dream recall decreased dramatically, down to maybe a dream per month, non of which played in a fantasy world or anything (but I did have an occasional lucid dream).
I missed these dreams though. Even though I knew they were a figment of my imagination, they were awesome.
At the age of 24 I quite randomly got introduced to lucid dreaming by a girl studying sleep disorders (she's a lucid dreamer).
I assumed everyone had occasional lucid dreams up to this point, but that for some reason I couldn't understand, everyone was afraid to talk about it.
She explained quite a few things related to lucid dreaming to me, and I ended up researching more on the subject.
I quickly started having lucid dreams again, mostly using the DILD technique, but I also had some successful experiments with WILD.
After some time I realized that there was a recurring DC in my dreams, which marked the creation of this thread.
Well... actually I've known for a bit longer, but I was too afraid to post, especially since I was a new member.
My thoughts:
Everything I have experienced can be rationalized in a non-supernatural way:
- A recurring DC is nothing abnormal in lucid dreams
- After remembering some of my childhood dreams, I may have subconsciously expected Yuya to be this DC, and expected her to do everything she did.
- These memories that keep popping up in my dreams lately may either be real memories of childhood dreams, or they may be "false memories".
- Reading some of WakingNomad's DJ entries I expected these kind of "overwhelming" lucid dreams to be absolutely possible.
- In the lucids I had featuring Yuya, I was overwhelmed to the point where I nearly forgot about waking life. This could explain why everything I experienced felt "real".
- As a child I was super creative, I used to make up tons of fantasy stories and was daydreaming all the time. This could explain the dreams I had as a child; I may have unknowingly incubated my dreams.
The list goes on, but you get the idea.
I'm an atheist (but not against the idea of believing), I'm a scientist, so I'm thinking to myself: "this makes sense... right?"
However, I'm very open minded (or at least I like to think that I am).
I like to rely on scientific facts, but when there are none, I don't mind speculations.
So my thoughts are these:
Over the past few hundred years, we've been taught a lot of bs, so why wouldn't "dreams aren't real" be part of that?
There are no scientific facts that prove or favor either idea.
The list I posted above may very well explain everything, but so might the existence of the dream plane (and her being a separate entity).
Saying that the list is more rational to favor that theory seemed good at first, but now it feels too much based on the "dreams aren't real" statement.
Since there are no scientific facts I cannot dismiss either of them.
And that's pretty much where I'm stuck at.
I know that with the way things are right now, I have no way to find out the truth... regardless of what I experience in my dreams, regardless of the experiments I undertake.
I don't know if this counts as an answer, but I really feel like I can't get anywhere past that.
I hope this makes sense, if not feel free to ask questions. :P
I'm planning on doing that one day, and I don't really doubt that it's possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradysdreaming
She's done it before to some extend, though they are usually more like memories of feelings, abilities, or an overall scenario / description of an event, not like a scene from a movie.
Then again this makes sense, memories in waking life work in a similar way.
I love how rational you are. I had the same thoughts when I first encountered Selene. The difference is I had already encountered other dreamers from DV in confirmed shared dreams, and we encountered other entities together. I did not know the difference between dreams and waking life until I was around 7 or 8 years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
Also, "Dreams are all in your head," - where did this idea come from? (rhetorical)
In many cultures they believe in the Dream Plane Theory in different ways.
Alright, thanks for the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
This whole thing is so incredible and outstanding, it almost makes me cry that I haven't had any lucids like this, or even ones with control. :cry:
But hey, keep us posted. And... wish me luck. :)
This is an important piece of information, thanks for mentioning this!Quote:
Originally Posted by WakingNomad
Then let me say a few (hopefully) encouraging words.Quote:
Originally Posted by CyperAleksi
Although I had little trouble having lucid dreams again, they were very short, and most of them weren't very interesting (with some exceptions).
The recurring DC thing was intriguing, but it didn't really feel that special, possibly because she looked different in every dream... I don't really know.
Reading WakingNomad's DJ I got the confidence to overcome the "train of thought barrier" that having such dreams is something super special and very hard to achieve.
I believe that if I can overcome this barrier, so can you and everyone else.
Try to get rid of the "incredible and outstanding" train of thought, I personally think that it's poisonous.
Think of this as something that's holding you back, and completely disregard it.
I bet you already have experienced ridiculous things in your dreams that completely violate the laws of physics, so why shouldn't you be able to "make it happen" in lucids?
Believe that you already have all the powers you need. (you do!)
Picture how awesome it will be when you manage whatever you're trying to do, look forward to it, anticipate it.
Good luck with your lucid dreams!
Thank you very much. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
Have a shared dream someday. It will help confirm your belief in the dream plane. It has for me. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
I probably will, but first I want to settle down a bit, and get a better understanding of my current dreams. (that is, increase my confidence while in the dream)
I wouldn't know who to try it with though, I don't really have the confidence to try it with someone on these forums and
I only know one lucid dreamer personally whom I don't have much contact with.
Just find somebody, ask them if they want to dream-share, and go with it. Either that or you can join Dreamcatchers. Right now we are doing something that involves SDing. Or you can contact one of the more well-known SDers and ask them for help with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
"Dreams aren't real" is probably more likely, but there's no proof and vice versa. Your words really got me into thinking too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
Here is something that people may find interesting
Australian Aborigine Dream Beliefs
Australian Aborigine Dream Beliefs | Dream Encyclopedia | dreamhawk.com
But this one is even more interesting
Islamic Dream Traditions
Islamic Dream Traditions | Dream Encyclopedia | dreamhawk.com
Well if you believe in spirit guides next time you see her ask her Are you my spirit guide, or if thats not to your liking ask her are you my dream guide, or if you want just ask who are you
Thanks for those links, I'll be sure to check them out if I get some free time!Quote:
Originally Posted by Caden
I've already asked her, she clearly stated that she is an entity inhabiting the world I was visiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mynameraulduke
Maybe you should ask her to visit earth sometimes...
I actually forgot to write this down in my DJ, so cool that you just made me remember! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Winamp
She asked if I could show her earth one day. She's especially intrigued by car's because she's never seen anything alike, and she really wants to drive one.
Wow, cool :)
I hope she is a decent driver... wear a helmet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
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Originally Posted by Snowboy
I wish the dream plane was real, but who knows, maybe it is. It would bring a lot of chaos so it probably has a border if it were real.
What is the dream plane, anyway.
I'm really enjoying this thread and I thank you for regularly posting your experiences as it is very inspiring for my self and I'm sure it is very inspiring for other Lucid Dreamers that are also in the same situation as me.
Your experiences really are mindblowing and help to increase my determination to LD and to improve my DR so much!
I started to LD when I was 17, when I first found out about the subject, I am now 19 and unfortunately due to being a student and in employment, suddenly managed to take myself away from the idea however I am back to keeping a dream journal, and plan to LD much more frequently now with specific aims and expectations in mind....
I really look forward to your future posts :)
Cliff
It has a border, your imagination.Quote:
I wish the dream plane was real, but who knows, maybe it is. It would bring a lot of chaos so it probably has a border if it were real.
Man, I am really enjoying this thread, been keeping me busy the last few days to get to the end of it.
But this partially proves a theory of mine that I came up with a year or two ago. This theory is basically of how life works, and what happens when you die.
The idea of this is that we are in a tangled chain of lives and when we die we are born into another. But there is a main world (That I will call the "Home World"), and life that each "real" person has, but every now and then we go into these "secondary" lives, like what we are in now, for some reason (to maybe learn about something). When one of your secondary lives is over, you either go back to the Home World, or start another secondary life, its quite random. In the Home World, everyone and everything is absolutely perfect in every way. In the Home World we all have spouses that we are tied to, they could not be separated at all because they are both perfect for each other. Only one of each couple can be in a secondary life at a time, so you are very likely to meet the other in your dreams, where they are a separate being from your imagination. Since you are "Tied" to them, your dream world is accessible to them as a slimmed down version of the Home World. Most of the people in the secondary worlds are fake, as if a very powerful DC from a dream. There is a bit much more to it, but thats all I can think of for now.
The rest of the post assumes that the theory is true.
Hyu, you ARE one of the very few "Real" people on earth, and Yuya is the woman tied to you, my guess is everyone who has a true experience like yours is one too. The world you are exploring with her is most probably Home, a place I have been wanting to see for a long time. I am very sure that we are of the same kind, I am yet to meet my "Tie" or see Home (Or at least that I remember) in my dreams, which I want to. I am very sure I am "Real", as you are, because one day when I was walking through the park my senses got very fuzzy and my brain was filled with some very faint information, some very faint images of "Her", some info about myself, and this whole "Theory". For instance, at Home I am 24.
By the way, if Yuya is what it seems she is (at least to me), where you have no control over her but vice versa, she is a separate entity, and she is from another world, you have partially proven* my theory.
*No posting "IT CAN'T BE PROVED!!!" or anything, I don't mean that, I am saying that this could possibly mean that my ideals are possible. This "Theory" IS the way I think and go about life, you have just made me believe in it more, thanks Hyu.
Don't be so quick to rule out that she may be ur higher self. If it is indeed just a dream guide what reason does she have to enter your dreams. Spirits are generally not dumb. They do things for a reason, u may want to ponder on that.