Thread: A recurring DC in my dreams which doesn't behave like any other DC's

I hope this doesn't destroy the motivation to read this.

... well, frankly...

Well, I have heard of people meeting DCs that differ greatly from the others in power/intelligence, so I would guess that:

The girl is your Dream Guide (seems to understand the dream stuff pretty well, but then again, I am not sure if DGs really exist). As for how she was able to not get "un-summoned", I would guess that you were expecting her not to.
*Because the truth is, nothing/nobody is more powerful than you are in the dreams. You are the god. You can do anything.*

* My take on the lucid dreaming, anyway. Then again I haven't got a "real" lucid yet.
Anyway, sounds like a pretty cool DC. I wish to get something similar when I get into the whole thing.

Originally Posted by Loaf

... well, frankly...

Yeah, I knew this was going to happen once I saw the wall of text, my bad.

Originally Posted by CyperAleksi

Well, I have heard of people meeting DCs that differ greatly from the others in power/intelligence, so I would guess that:

The girl is your Dream Guide (seems to understand the dream stuff pretty well, but then again, I am not sure if DGs really exist). As for how she was able to not get "un-summoned", I would guess that you were expecting her not to.
*Because the truth is, nothing/nobody is more powerful than you are in the dreams. You are the god. You can do anything.*

* My take on the lucid dreaming, anyway. Then again I haven't got a "real" lucid yet.
Anyway, sounds like a pretty cool DC. I wish to get something similar when I get into the whole thing.

I have read the term "Dream Guide" many times on these forums, but I've never bothered to check what exactly it means.
Going by the wiki, it's just "A dream character who helps you and knows more about your dream than the average dream character".
Well, that certainly fits, though that description fits a wide variety of things.

And it's certainly true that I wasn't fully expecting her to be "un-summoned", still it didn't really feel like a failure on my part.
Then again, dreams are quite tricky, maybe I just met her in a dream once and I'm expecting to see her over and over again.
I'll just go with the "special DC" though, because it's more fun that way, and that's what dreams are about right?

Is the concept of a Dream Guide more closely explained somewhere?
I find the idea quite interesting, especially because the wiki entry fits so well.

Cheers,
Hyu

Originally Posted by Hyu

I have read the term "Dream Guide" many times on these forums, but I've never bothered to check what exactly it means.
Going by the wiki, it's just "A dream character who helps you and knows more about your dream than the average dream character".
Well, that certainly fits, though that description fits a wide variety of things.

And it's certainly true that I wasn't fully expecting her to be "un-summoned", still it didn't really feel like a failure on my part.
Then again, dreams are quite tricky, maybe I just met her in a dream once and I'm expecting to see her over and over again.
I'll just go with the "special DC" though, because it's more fun that way, and that's what dreams are about right?

Is the concept of a Dream Guide more closely explained somewhere?
I find the idea quite interesting, especially because the wiki entry fits so well.

Cheers,
Hyu

Agreed.
I haven't really found much information about dream guides myself, so I'm afraid I can't tell any more
And yeah, maybe you do unconsciously expect her to be there.

About a year ago I was looking into dream guides quite a bit because I thought they were pretty interesting. While doing this I found a comment on a thread that was talking about special dream characters that are basically the other half of you, so when you meet them you feel completely happy and fulfilled. They also happen to be of the other sex and attractive to you. So to me it sounds like you've met your other half, so to speak.
I wish I could tell you more about it or at least tell you what thread it was on but it was quite a while ago sorry.

It definitely sounds like you have encountered your dream guide.

Originally Posted by Emecom

About a year ago I was looking into dream guides quite a bit because I thought they were pretty interesting. While doing this I found a comment on a thread that was talking about special dream characters that are basically the other half of you, so when you meet them you feel completely happy and fulfilled. They also happen to be of the other sex and attractive to you. So to me it sounds like you've met your other half, so to speak.
I wish I could tell you more about it or at least tell you what thread it was on but it was quite a while ago sorry.

Jungian theory.

That's the animus for male and anima for female (I think I'm getting the genders right). They're your male or female side of yourself. Jung proposed that they were a reminder to accept those different sides of yourself — much like how he proposed the shadow is a way for you to rationalise, with yourself, the dark side of yourself that you don't want anyone to see.

I wouldn't say this is just an animus or anima. She seems to play too much of an important role to merely be the female side of yourself. Here's a brief summary of some persona types, as proposed by Carl Jung, that might be of interest.

Originally Posted by http://www.dreammoods.com/dreaminformation/dreamtheory/jung3.htm

3. The Anima / Animus is the female and male aspects of yourself. Everyone possess both feminine and masculine qualities. In dreams, the anima appears as a highly feminized figure, while the animus appears as a hyper masculine form. Or you may dream that you are dressed in women's clothing, if you are male or that you grow a beard, if you are female. These dream imageries appear depending on how well you are able to integrate the feminine and masculine qualities within yourself. They serve as a reminder that you must learn to acknowledge or express your masculine (be more assertive) or feminine side (be more emotional).
5. The Wise Old Man /Woman is the helper in your dreams. Represented by a teacher, father, doctor, priest or some other unknown authority figure, they serve to offer guidance and words of wisdom. They appear in your dream to steer and guide you into the right direction.
6. The Great Mother is the nurturer. The Great Mother appears in your dreams as your own mother, grandmother, or other nurturing figure. She provides you with positive reassurance. Negatively, they may be depicted as a witch or old bag lady in which case they can be associated with seduction, dominance and death. This juxtaposition is rooted in the belief by some experts that the real mother who is the giver of life is also at the same time jealous of our growth away from her.

Of course some people think Carl Jung was an idiot, and I believe I read somewhere that he didn't even believe in lucid dreaming. Either way, some of the stuff I've read on him has helped me to tackle one particularly bullying DC that wouldn't leave me alone.

PS
Reading the part about her forcing you to wake up gave me chills.

Thanks for posting this Foul, it's quite an interesting read.

Originally Posted by Foul

Reading the part about her forcing you to wake up gave me chills.

Imagine trying to rationalize what just happened whilst still in this state where you're not thinking clearly yet.
It was quite the experience, I can still remember exactly what it felt like.

I have such an urge to meet her again. I have a million questions I want to ask her.
Unfortunately, I'll be really busy the next few days which usually completely kills my dream recall.

I belive it could be another person (as a Shared dream at some point) or dream guide. Though I would place my bet in the first option.

I'm not really sure what I should think of shared dreaming.
I'm rather open minded, so I do consider that it's possible, and I've read a few rather convincing arguments on these forums in favor of shared dreaming.
It remains one of these things noone can prove nor disprove.

Regardless of what I think of shared dreaming though, I dislike the idea that another person could enter my dreams, and have the power to shock me awake in the way I experienced.
If two people actively try to experience a shared dream together, it's a different story.

Who says they are your dreams to begin with?

Very interesting post I think. I have never had an experience like this before but the way you put it makes it sound really cool. I should put on my goals list to find my dream guide, as I think it would be a great thing to have a companion throughout all of my dreams.

To help answer your question, I think that "girl" might be the other side of yourself. Since she cannot be unsummoned, it must be another part of your mind that is stronger than your conscious will power. That is the only logical explanation I can come up with...

If it were a shared dream then they'd be as confused as you are.
The idea that someone has jacked into your dreams only when you're lucid and knows a whole lote more than you and is using these dreams to screw with your head is utterly ridiculous.

PS
I'd like to clarify that I don't believe in shared dreams.

Another possibility, other than the dream guide thing is that your mind made her up to get you out of the lucid, since (at least what I have heard) subconscious doesn't "like" lucid dreaming state. :S

Originally Posted by Foul

Jungian theory.

That's the animus for male and anima for female (I think I'm getting the genders right). They're your male or female side of yourself. Jung proposed that they were a reminder to accept those different sides of yourself — much like how he proposed the shadow is a way for you to rationalise, with yourself, the dark side of yourself that you don't want anyone to see.
.

^This

It being your anima makes a lot more sense than it being a shared dream.

Originally Posted by Hyu

I'm not really sure what I should think of shared dreaming.
I'm rather open minded, so I do consider that it's possible, and I've read a few rather convincing arguments on these forums in favor of shared dreaming.
It remains one of these things noone can prove nor disprove.

Regardless of what I think of shared dreaming though, I dislike the idea that another person could enter my dreams, and have the power to shock me awake in the way I experienced.
If two people actively try to experience a shared dream together, it's a different story.

Shared dream can occur even without the person knowing it. It could have happened to you.

I'd rather don't discuss it here, you can check beyon dreaming and ask it there.

What makes sense or what does not make sense is relative. You can not prove either, so they have the same probabilities, I belive that only the OP can say what he belive that happened.

sounds awesome. now i wanna know what happens next ... please keep posting.

I suspect this to be something called a spirit guide. It's a little-known term on DV and around the web, but it is basically a higher form of a DG, although it is considered a separate entity. They can help you in your dreams just like a DG, but they can also help you with physical-plane problems that you may be having. The SG can also help you start shared dreaming, as they can be considered people of the dream plane. Since they can do all of this, I suspect they also have the ability to wake you up like she did. I would be surprised if this usually isn't the case. As a person of the dream plane, she can also teach you about it, which can lead into a bunch of stuff I'm still figuring out myself.

DG doesn't seem to fit the description, as she has free-will, while a DG doesn't. They can also be un-summoned I believe. A shared dreamer would make no sense, as they shouldn't have power over you like that in a dream. They would also appear in non-lucids if it was. An anima... that makes no sense, as they wouldn't have power over you, never mind free-will. They would also represent you in some way, but, in the way you say it, it doesn't seem to be that way. SG sounds much better, as it accounts for the power she has over you and her apparent knowledge of the dream plane.

I would suggest asking her about the dream plane and your dreams, maybe even about some personal problems. Now, I'm not saying you should use her as a Q&A service, as she could be a separate entity. Even if you don't follow that, she probably won't answer if it gets annoying. I say you try to use this as an opportunity to learn and experience. Most people don't have the opportunity laid out in front of them like this.

Good luck, and I hope I helped!

EDIT: Also, this idea is very controversial on DV. I just want you to know that, but I still believe it matches best.

Originally Posted by Hyu

I wasn't sure what to do next, I kept feeling her thoughts, she wanted me to do something.
Finally, I thought "prove it." but in a nice way. I didn't doubt her, I just wanted some help believing.

That was exactly what she was waiting for, she smiled and opened her eyes more widely.

BAM!
I was back in bed, fully awake, not tired at all. I could still feel the residue of her aura on my body.
I have never awakened from a dream like that. Especially lucids always tend to just fade away, and with non lucids, I often just don't remember how they ended.
But never in my life have I been shocked awake from a dream like that (it was not a bad feeling at all, quite the contrary actually)

So instead of you unsummoning her, she unsummoned you! Funny how you can't control her in your dreams, but she can control your dreams.

It could be a dream guide. Or it could be something else. What exactly I have no idea. Maybe a shared dream or a spirit guide. I can't pretend to be and expert on these things.

It would be more fun if it were a spirit guide or a shared dream.

Truth to be told, I still think that she didn't get un-summoned because you expected her not to. Or, took it as a great/fair possibility that she might not.
Like, according to what I have heard (and read), if you for example think "I am probably going to wake up soon" you probably do. It's the expectations and all. Or then you didn't want her to get un-summoned maybe?

But hey, I haven't even had a lucid yet. So yeah. :/
I would be interested to hear about more encounters of this DC later on, if you happen to see her again.

After reading your post, I have to say I have come across a similar DC. However I've only been around her twice. The first two times was when I had trouble remaining in a LD for long durations, felt like she guided me. She was always at the other end of my dream, and me wanting to get to her kept me lucid longer. The last time I encountered her I got a similar feeling as you describe. Here is short entry of my DJ;

-I walked into this room, and there was a DC female long black silky hair, looked like a DC from a couple dreams in the past. She was beautiful, so I asked her where am I, she said where I needed to be. I asked Why? She passionately grabbed my hand, and her fingers intertwined with mine. She told me not here, so I said wait, but why not, she tells we shouldn't be here. So I told her fine I will leave you alone. The feeling I had around her was very nice, very happy, and I started to come out of the LD from the excitement I'm guessing. As I felt like I was waking I remained in the same position and focused on her image, I ended up in an auditorium and she was there teaching a lecture, so I walked up to the stage and she smiles as I got closer to her, I asked her, what is this green water everywhere, she said it should be there, its always there., and she knelt down and said, not here and smiled, I told her ok, and got closer to her, she looked me in the eyes and smiled brightly, It felt so nice and warming. I then woke up.-

I have been trying to come across her again. No luck. Maybe I'm trying too hard, opposed to not looking in the past. Any ideas?

Originally Posted by QuietWhun

Any ideas?

Try asking around if you are trying to find her. If you are wondering what she might be in your case, look at my previous post. With your case, I'm not so sure, but with Hyu's, I'm pretty confident it is correct.

Thank you all for your replies!
Sorry for replying so late, I've been quite busy the past few days (exams).
I don't really feel like I have a full understanding of the situation yet, but thanks to these posts and another encounter with "her", I feel like I have a better understanding of it now.

I've had bad dream recall for the past few days (most likely due to the exams), but as I already said, I encountered her once more, which differs quite a bit from the other encounters I've had with her before.

• She was there right after I became lucid, and she wasn't introduced to me like she usually is, she was basically right next to me and said "hi", and I immediately recognized her.
• She didn't play the role of another character like she always did, she was just "herself"
• I'm pretty sure we were on another planet. We were walking on water (she showed me how to)
• I asked her if she was a/my dream guide. She pondered for a bit and replied (I don't remember her exact words) that it's complicated, and thus hard to explain (I felt she knew I had bad dream recall, and this was a bad time to try to explain it.)
• She referred to the dream world as "her world" (In the sense of this is where she lives)
• The dream was very short unfortunately. While walking on the water she said she was sorry, but I would have to leave very soon. I asked why and she said "Your alarm clock is ringing."
  This made me sad, because I still had many questions for her. With a nice smile she jokingly said: "Don't worry, I won't run away." (She will always be in the dream world). This made me laugh and I woke up to my alarm clock, which had been ringing for over half a minute.

I was very happy to meet her again. Due to the bad dream recall I was afraid I wouldn't.
I also made a sketch of her after waking up, in the hopes of being able to remember her more clearly.
I plan on turning it into a painting once I'm done with my exams.

Originally Posted by Snowboy

I suspect this to be something called a spirit guide.

Unfortunately I read your post only after meeting her again, I think my questions would have been more precise, had I read it sooner.
Your description of a SG does fit remarkably well.
As mentioned earlier, she did say that she was an inhabitant of the dream world, and she is very knowledgeable about it.
She also has full access to all my memories, including all my thoughts and emotions.

Do you know where I can find more information about Spirit Guides?
I don't mind that the idea is a bit controversial.
I'm very open minded, and what you said is pretty much spot on, so I see no reason not to try to get my hands on more information, I really want to learn more on the subject.

Originally Posted by QuietWhun

Any ideas?

I see many similarities to my experiences.
Giving answers like "where you're supposed to be" is something she's done quite a few times, or telling me that things I find weird are perfectly normal "they're supposed to be there".
I also have the feeling that we cannot talk about her until she brings me to another place with no other DC's. Her telling you "not here" reminded me of that.


As for finding her... I don't know... She always seems to find me.
I never tried to actively search for her, except for my last dream, where she was already waiting for me.
If I'd try to search for her though, I would try to find her aura. It's very strong, so I can sense it from very far away.
I'm not sure if you've experienced this though, and to be honest, I don't really know how to explain it. As I said in my first post, it's like a 6th sense, you can feel the presence of other people and animals.

Asking around like Snowboy suggested sounds like a good idea as well.


Cheers,
Hyu

Originally Posted by Hyu

Do you know where I can find more information about Spirit Guides?

What I posted is what I know. I don't know how I can elaborate much farther, as that was just what I have read before. I haven't had any firsthand experience with stuff like this. I personally doubt you will find much information on DV about SG, so I would just go around Google and see what you find. You can also consult a shared dreamer that knows more stuff about this than I do, such as WakingNomad, Raven Knight, &c, &c, &c. WakingNomad has a SG named Zaphor, I'm pretty sure you can find some stuff out about SG by reading some of the tales of Zaphor.

Also, I want to tell you one more thing. She may know a lot more about your life than you may think. There is something called the Akashic Records which is basically a compilation of all of past and future history, if that makes sense of you. It is mainly referred to as something that has your whole life story, even that parts that you haven't yet experienced, including past lives. Some psychics try to access this through a specific form of meditation. If they can access it, then SG and other dream plane entities can access it easily.

Well, I wish you best in your learning!