Thread: A recurring DC in my dreams which doesn't behave like any other DC's

Originally Posted by CyperAleksi

This is fun/cool/awesome etc. to read and all... but what exactly you think about all of this yourself. Huy?

And with that I mean: I personally think it's all just made up by your subconscious and stuff, not "another place" like dimension or whatever.
But I am interested to hear, that what you think of it?

Well... this is quite hard to answer, but I will try.
Be prepared for a wall of text though...
You already know how I feel about it during the dreams (everything feels real), but being awake I have a split opinion about it.

Some background information: (tl;dr)
I know I had many lucid dreams as a child. I also knew Yuya was in some of them.
I also remember that a lot of dreams played in a fantasy world.
When I first had these dreams I was very young, though I can't tell you how old I was.
During that time (and basically up to a few months ago), I had no-one to talk to. (when I was a child, people would tell me I made up these stories)
To make things worse I didn't fully understand the difference between dreaming and waking life.
Don't get me wrong, I could easily tell them apart, and I knew my dreams wouldn't influence my waking life, but I didn't know that dreams were "not real".
I always assumed sometimes at night I would just live another life.

As I grew older, I started trying to rationalize dreams.
I didn't know that expectations played a role... I didn't know anything at all.
At some point I decided that none of it was real, mostly because that's what I was taught, "dreams aren't real".
My dream recall decreased dramatically, down to maybe a dream per month, non of which played in a fantasy world or anything (but I did have an occasional lucid dream).
I missed these dreams though. Even though I knew they were a figment of my imagination, they were awesome.

At the age of 24 I quite randomly got introduced to lucid dreaming by a girl studying sleep disorders (she's a lucid dreamer).
I assumed everyone had occasional lucid dreams up to this point, but that for some reason I couldn't understand, everyone was afraid to talk about it.
She explained quite a few things related to lucid dreaming to me, and I ended up researching more on the subject.
I quickly started having lucid dreams again, mostly using the DILD technique, but I also had some successful experiments with WILD.
After some time I realized that there was a recurring DC in my dreams, which marked the creation of this thread.
Well... actually I've known for a bit longer, but I was too afraid to post, especially since I was a new member.

My thoughts:
Everything I have experienced can be rationalized in a non-supernatural way:

• A recurring DC is nothing abnormal in lucid dreams
• After remembering some of my childhood dreams, I may have subconsciously expected Yuya to be this DC, and expected her to do everything she did.
• These memories that keep popping up in my dreams lately may either be real memories of childhood dreams, or they may be "false memories".
• Reading some of WakingNomad's DJ entries I expected these kind of "overwhelming" lucid dreams to be absolutely possible.
• In the lucids I had featuring Yuya, I was overwhelmed to the point where I nearly forgot about waking life. This could explain why everything I experienced felt "real".
• As a child I was super creative, I used to make up tons of fantasy stories and was daydreaming all the time. This could explain the dreams I had as a child; I may have unknowingly incubated my dreams.

The list goes on, but you get the idea.
I'm an atheist (but not against the idea of believing), I'm a scientist, so I'm thinking to myself: "this makes sense... right?"
However, I'm very open minded (or at least I like to think that I am).
I like to rely on scientific facts, but when there are none, I don't mind speculations.

So my thoughts are these:
Over the past few hundred years, we've been taught a lot of bs, so why wouldn't "dreams aren't real" be part of that?
There are no scientific facts that prove or favor either idea.
The list I posted above may very well explain everything, but so might the existence of the dream plane (and her being a separate entity).
Saying that the list is more rational to favor that theory seemed good at first, but now it feels too much based on the "dreams aren't real" statement.
Since there are no scientific facts I cannot dismiss either of them.

And that's pretty much where I'm stuck at.
I know that with the way things are right now, I have no way to find out the truth... regardless of what I experience in my dreams, regardless of the experiments I undertake.
I don't know if this counts as an answer, but I really feel like I can't get anywhere past that.
I hope this makes sense, if not feel free to ask questions.

Originally Posted by bradysdreaming

Hey Hyu, you should ask Yuya if it is possible for her to jog your memory somehow. I doubt it is possible, but I think it would result in a very interesting experience. What ever Yuya is, she sounds very special. I would ask her all kinds of questions, probably to the point of annoyance lol.

I'm planning on doing that one day, and I don't really doubt that it's possible.
She's done it before to some extend, though they are usually more like memories of feelings, abilities, or an overall scenario / description of an event, not like a scene from a movie.
Then again this makes sense, memories in waking life work in a similar way.

Originally Posted by Hyu

Well... this is quite hard to answer, but I will try.
Be prepared for a wall of text though...
You already know how I feel about it during the dreams (everything feels real), but being awake I have a split opinion about it.

Some background information: (tl;dr)
I know I had many lucid dreams as a child. I also knew Yuya was in some of them.
I also remember that a lot of dreams played in a fantasy world.
When I first had these dreams I was very young, though I can't tell you how old I was.
During that time (and basically up to a few months ago), I had no-one to talk to. (when I was a child, people would tell me I made up these stories)
To make things worse I didn't fully understand the difference between dreaming and waking life.
Don't get me wrong, I could easily tell them apart, and I knew my dreams wouldn't influence my waking life, but I didn't know that dreams were "not real".
I always assumed sometimes at night I would just live another life.

As I grew older, I started trying to rationalize dreams.
I didn't know that expectations played a role... I didn't know anything at all.
At some point I decided that none of it was real, mostly because that's what I was taught, "dreams aren't real".
My dream recall decreased dramatically, down to maybe a dream per month, non of which played in a fantasy world or anything (but I did have an occasional lucid dream).
I missed these dreams though. Even though I knew they were a figment of my imagination, they were awesome.

At the age of 24 I quite randomly got introduced to lucid dreaming by a girl studying sleep disorders (she's a lucid dreamer).
I assumed everyone had occasional lucid dreams up to this point, but that for some reason I couldn't understand, everyone was afraid to talk about it.
She explained quite a few things related to lucid dreaming to me, and I ended up researching more on the subject.
I quickly started having lucid dreams again, mostly using the DILD technique, but I also had some successful experiments with WILD.
After some time I realized that there was a recurring DC in my dreams, which marked the creation of this thread.
Well... actually I've known for a bit longer, but I was too afraid to post, especially since I was a new member.

My thoughts:
Everything I have experienced can be rationalized in a non-supernatural way:

• A recurring DC is nothing abnormal in lucid dreams
• After remembering some of my childhood dreams, I may have subconsciously expected Yuya to be this DC, and expected her to do everything she did.
• These memories that keep popping up in my dreams lately may either be real memories of childhood dreams, or they may be "false memories".
• Reading some of WakingNomad's DJ entries I expected these kind of "overwhelming" lucid dreams to be absolutely possible.
• In the lucids I had featuring Yuya, I was overwhelmed to the point where I nearly forgot about waking life. This could explain why everything I experienced felt "real".
• As a child I was super creative, I used to make up tons of fantasy stories and was daydreaming all the time. This could explain the dreams I had as a child; I may have unknowingly incubated my dreams.

The list goes on, but you get the idea.
I'm an atheist (but not against the idea of believing), I'm a scientist, so I'm thinking to myself: "this makes sense... right?"
However, I'm very open minded (or at least I like to think that I am).
I like to rely on scientific facts, but when there are none, I don't mind speculations.

So my thoughts are these:
Over the past few hundred years, we've been taught a lot of bs, so why wouldn't "dreams aren't real" be part of that?
There are no scientific facts that prove or favor either idea.
The list I posted above may very well explain everything, but so might the existence of the dream plane (and her being a separate entity).
Saying that the list is more rational to favor that theory seemed good at first, but now it feels too much based on the "dreams aren't real" statement.
Since there are no scientific facts I cannot dismiss either of them.

And that's pretty much where I'm stuck at.
I know that with the way things are right now, I have no way to find out the truth... regardless of what I experience in my dreams, regardless of the experiments I undertake.
I don't know if this counts as an answer, but I really feel like I can't get anywhere past that.
I hope this makes sense, if not feel free to ask questions.



I'm planning on doing that one day, and I don't really doubt that it's possible.
She's done it before to some extend, though they are usually more like memories of feelings, abilities, or an overall scenario / description of an event, not like a scene from a movie.
Then again this makes sense, memories in waking life work in a similar way.

I love how rational you are. I had the same thoughts when I first encountered Selene. The difference is I had already encountered other dreamers from DV in confirmed shared dreams, and we encountered other entities together. I did not know the difference between dreams and waking life until I was around 7 or 8 years old.

Also, "Dreams are all in your head," - where did this idea come from? (rhetorical)

In many cultures they believe in the Dream Plane Theory in different ways.

Originally Posted by Hyu

And that's pretty much where I'm stuck at.
I know that with the way things are right now, I have no way to find out the truth... regardless of what I experience in my dreams, regardless of the experiments I undertake.
I don't know if this counts as an answer, but I really feel like I can't get anywhere past that.
I hope this makes sense, if not feel free to ask questions.

Alright, thanks for the answer.

This whole thing is so incredible and outstanding, it almost makes me cry that I haven't had any lucids like this, or even ones with control.
But hey, keep us posted. And... wish me luck.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Also, "Dreams are all in your head," - where did this idea come from? (rhetorical)

In many cultures they believe in the Dream Plane Theory in different ways.

This is an important piece of information, thanks for mentioning this!

Originally Posted by CyperAleksi

Alright, thanks for the answer.

This whole thing is so incredible and outstanding, it almost makes me cry that I haven't had any lucids like this, or even ones with control.
But hey, keep us posted. And... wish me luck.

Then let me say a few (hopefully) encouraging words.
Although I had little trouble having lucid dreams again, they were very short, and most of them weren't very interesting (with some exceptions).
The recurring DC thing was intriguing, but it didn't really feel that special, possibly because she looked different in every dream... I don't really know.
Reading WakingNomad's DJ I got the confidence to overcome the "train of thought barrier" that having such dreams is something super special and very hard to achieve.
I believe that if I can overcome this barrier, so can you and everyone else.
Try to get rid of the "incredible and outstanding" train of thought, I personally think that it's poisonous.
Think of this as something that's holding you back, and completely disregard it.
I bet you already have experienced ridiculous things in your dreams that completely violate the laws of physics, so why shouldn't you be able to "make it happen" in lucids?
Believe that you already have all the powers you need. (you do!)
Picture how awesome it will be when you manage whatever you're trying to do, look forward to it, anticipate it.

Good luck with your lucid dreams!

Originally Posted by Hyu

This is an important piece of information, thanks for mentioning this!



Then let me say a few (hopefully) encouraging words.
Although I had little trouble having lucid dreams again, they were very short, and most of them weren't very interesting (with some exceptions).
The recurring DC thing was intriguing, but it didn't really feel that special, possibly because she looked different in every dream... I don't really know.
Reading WakingNomad's DJ I got the confidence to overcome the "train of thought barrier" that having such dreams is something super special and very hard to achieve.
I believe that if I can overcome this barrier, so can you and everyone else.
Try to get rid of the "incredible and outstanding" train of thought, I personally think that it's poisonous.
Think of this as something that's holding you back, and completely disregard it.
I bet you already have experienced ridiculous things in your dreams that completely violate the laws of physics, so why shouldn't you be able to "make it happen" in lucids?
Believe that you already have all the powers you need. (you do!)
Picture how awesome it will be when you manage whatever you're trying to do, look forward to it, anticipate it.

Good luck with your lucid dreams!

Thank you very much.

Originally Posted by Hyu

The list I posted above may very well explain everything, but so might the existence of the dream plane (and her being a separate entity).

Have a shared dream someday. It will help confirm your belief in the dream plane. It has for me.

Originally Posted by Hyu

Well... this is quite hard to answer, but I will try.
Be prepared for a wall of text though...
You already know how I feel about it during the dreams (everything feels real), but being awake I have a split opinion about it.

Some background information: (tl;dr)
I know I had many lucid dreams as a child. I also knew Yuya was in some of them.
I also remember that a lot of dreams played in a fantasy world.
When I first had these dreams I was very young, though I can't tell you how old I was.
During that time (and basically up to a few months ago), I had no-one to talk to. (when I was a child, people would tell me I made up these stories)
To make things worse I didn't fully understand the difference between dreaming and waking life.
Don't get me wrong, I could easily tell them apart, and I knew my dreams wouldn't influence my waking life, but I didn't know that dreams were "not real".
I always assumed sometimes at night I would just live another life.

As I grew older, I started trying to rationalize dreams.
I didn't know that expectations played a role... I didn't know anything at all.
At some point I decided that none of it was real, mostly because that's what I was taught, "dreams aren't real".
My dream recall decreased dramatically, down to maybe a dream per month, non of which played in a fantasy world or anything (but I did have an occasional lucid dream).
I missed these dreams though. Even though I knew they were a figment of my imagination, they were awesome.

At the age of 24 I quite randomly got introduced to lucid dreaming by a girl studying sleep disorders (she's a lucid dreamer).
I assumed everyone had occasional lucid dreams up to this point, but that for some reason I couldn't understand, everyone was afraid to talk about it.
She explained quite a few things related to lucid dreaming to me, and I ended up researching more on the subject.
I quickly started having lucid dreams again, mostly using the DILD technique, but I also had some successful experiments with WILD.
After some time I realized that there was a recurring DC in my dreams, which marked the creation of this thread.
Well... actually I've known for a bit longer, but I was too afraid to post, especially since I was a new member.

My thoughts:
Everything I have experienced can be rationalized in a non-supernatural way:

• A recurring DC is nothing abnormal in lucid dreams
• After remembering some of my childhood dreams, I may have subconsciously expected Yuya to be this DC, and expected her to do everything she did.
• These memories that keep popping up in my dreams lately may either be real memories of childhood dreams, or they may be "false memories".
• Reading some of WakingNomad's DJ entries I expected these kind of "overwhelming" lucid dreams to be absolutely possible.
• In the lucids I had featuring Yuya, I was overwhelmed to the point where I nearly forgot about waking life. This could explain why everything I experienced felt "real".
• As a child I was super creative, I used to make up tons of fantasy stories and was daydreaming all the time. This could explain the dreams I had as a child; I may have unknowingly incubated my dreams.

The list goes on, but you get the idea.
I'm an atheist (but not against the idea of believing), I'm a scientist, so I'm thinking to myself: "this makes sense... right?"
However, I'm very open minded (or at least I like to think that I am).
I like to rely on scientific facts, but when there are none, I don't mind speculations.

So my thoughts are these:
Over the past few hundred years, we've been taught a lot of bs, so why wouldn't "dreams aren't real" be part of that?
There are no scientific facts that prove or favor either idea.
The list I posted above may very well explain everything, but so might the existence of the dream plane (and her being a separate entity).
Saying that the list is more rational to favor that theory seemed good at first, but now it feels too much based on the "dreams aren't real" statement.
Since there are no scientific facts I cannot dismiss either of them.

And that's pretty much where I'm stuck at.
I know that with the way things are right now, I have no way to find out the truth... regardless of what I experience in my dreams, regardless of the experiments I undertake.
I don't know if this counts as an answer, but I really feel like I can't get anywhere past that.
I hope this makes sense, if not feel free to ask questions.



I'm planning on doing that one day, and I don't really doubt that it's possible.
She's done it before to some extend, though they are usually more like memories of feelings, abilities, or an overall scenario / description of an event, not like a scene from a movie.
Then again this makes sense, memories in waking life work in a similar way.

"Dreams aren't real" is probably more likely, but there's no proof and vice versa. Your words really got me into thinking too.