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      Are These Possible?

      Are these possible in a lucid dream? Explain.

      1. Practice on an instrument you've never played / don't know how to play
      2. Experience a memory exactly
      3. Tell subconscience to come up with a great song/book/etc.
      4. Consciously control 2+ selves/bodies/minds
      5. Send out a clone of yourself to do something like practice a skill (this works normally in dreams, right?), and then reabsorb the clone and his experiences
      6. Remember or have subconscious tell you some obscure information (question 18 on the chem test 2 years ago)
      7. Conjure god/spirit guide and have him tell you something extremely insightful
      8. In real life, skim over a passage from a book w/o actually reading; recall in dream or have subconscious "process" the info (read this in a FAQ on Resources Page on this site)
      9. Reread a book you have already read (or if you can't read well in dreams, have a voice read to you or something)
      10. Do something like create a language and become fluent in it (if you have lots of time), see if you still are in real life
      11. Experience blindness as if you'd never been able to see (maybe you "forget" what sight is or something)
      12. Generate motivation/determination that survives when awake
      13. Make predictions in dreams that prove fairly accurate in real life
      14. Tell you subconscience to do x thing in real life, like have it remind you of something
      15. Have subconscious write my essay that's due, or have it solve a complicated math problem (I understand that your creative capacity is enhanced in dreams, so you can solve these problems, but can you have your subconscious do it for you)?
      16. *Note: for this next thing, assume that all piano practice time in a dream is equally as efficient in the real world. Your perception of time in ld's is weird, but if you practice piano for what you perceive to be two weeks, then either (a) you feel like you have been playing for two weeks straight but have only really been playing for an hour (REM/dream time in real world) and thus you only have the skill of an hour of playing or (b) you still feel like you have been playing for two weeks because you actually were, in the dream (i.e., time was extended) and you have the skill of two weeks, whereas in real life you were only dreaming/REMing for an hour. Which actually occurs, (a) or (b)?
      17. An experiment - just spend awhile counting at the same rate of seconds, and remember the number you get up to. Then when you wake up you can prove that you had a dream for longer-than-actual dream time. You'd have to count for hours lol, but it might be worth it. Or I guess if any of this subconscious stuff is possible, have your subconscious count for you lol. Also, if one does this, could false memories affect how I count? Maybe I spontaneously skip to 4572345 and have the memory that I have been counting that entire time - or can false memories occur in lucid dreams?
      18. Be in your younger self's body and have his mind - if your a kid, for example, then you find joy in playing with toys. Or physically implant false memories, as normal dreams do - like I become Harry Potter and actually am him and believe I am
      19. Recall a memory from when you were a baby (that you don't remember in real life)
      20. Tell a DC to always appear in your dreams and have him tell you that your dreaming (in future dreams)


      The main themes of these questions as you may have noticed are relative to these:
      (a) how much can the subconscious store in memories (everything?)?
      (b) can your subconscious do work, as in these examples:
      > if you give it a task like solve a problem and have it tell you?
      > find patterns and make conclusions and using you memories actually make you smarter (like using memories to decode a foreign language so you understand it (using memories of whatever you have seen of that language, and "doing work" to solve it), or teaching yourself calculus ideas w/o any prior experience; extreme examples, but you see what I mean?)?
      > and similar things, as in many of the 20 questions above?
      (c) basically, dreams can link you to your subconscious - what are the limitations/capacities with this?


      I know a some of this stuff might seem absurd, but I believe in a dream anything's possible and that our subconscious can store a near-infinite amount of information, so whatever, these are just some ideas. Thanks.

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      Quote Originally Posted by somstuff View Post
      Are these possible in a lucid dream? Explain.

      1. Practice on an instrument you've never played / don't know how to play

      You won't magically have the knowledge to play something you don't how to in real life, but you can make it sound really good just by messing around with it. I've done this before with an electric guitar. I can't play one in real life, but I can shred like Eddie Van Halen when I'm in the dream.

      2. Experience a memory exactly

      You may be surprised at how vividly you can remember things from your past, that get locked away in the back of your mind. However, things will often get distorted in dreams. Depending on how well your memory is will depend on how accurate it actually is.

      3. Tell subconscience to come up with a great song/book/etc.

      You can try and see if it works for you. I think your creativity level is definitely increased while in a dream, so it's possible to come up with some great work. Michael Jackson frequently came up with songs in his dream. I think he said the bass line for "Beat It" came to him in a dream, and when he woke up he rushed downstairs to get it on tape before he forgot.

      4. Consciously control 2+ selves/bodies/minds

      Yes, this is possible. Though it's very difficult because you'd need to keep your focus on multiple things at once.

      5. Send out a clone of yourself to do something like practice a skill (this works normally in dreams, right?), and then reabsorb the clone and his experiences

      No that doesn't work. Unless you're watching the clone practicing the skill, you can't just send him off to learn something though and then not pay any attention to him. You can't learn something without engaging in it yourself, your clone is really just another DC.

      6. Remember or have subconscious tell you some obscure information (question 18 on the chem test 2 years ago)

      You cannot access your subconscious at will, it doesn't work that way.

      7. Conjure god/spirit guide and have him tell you something extremely insightful

      Yeah this works, though what kind of response you get is all on you. It really depends. Another good way to do it is interview a clone of yourself and see what kind of answers you get.

      8. In real life, skim over a passage from a book w/o actually reading; recall in dream or have subconscious "process" the info (read this in a FAQ on Resources Page on this site)

      I can't vouch for this one, but I'm sure the answer is no, it's not possible (considering you have an ordinary brain). Though reading books in dreams is very realistic, the brain is able to create sentences and everything out of thin air.

      9. Reread a book you have already read (or if you can't read well in dreams, have a voice read to you or something)

      Same response as above.

      10. Do something like create a language and become fluent in it (if you have lots of time), see if you still are in real life

      If you can do it in real life, I'm sure you could do it in a dream.

      11. Experience blindness as if you'd never been able to see (maybe you "forget" what sight is or something)

      Sure, you can be blind in your dreams. It's the same as seeing total blackness.

      12. Generate motivation/determination that survives when awake

      Yep.

      13. Make predictions in dreams that prove fairly accurate in real life

      Some people claim to have premonitions in dreams, you might want to look more into that. I'm not sure where I stand on the subject.

      14. Tell you subconscience to do x thing in real life, like have it remind you of something

      You can't "tell" your subconscious anything.


      15. Have subconscious write my essay that's due, or have it solve a complicated math problem (I understand that your creative capacity is enhanced in dreams, so you can solve these problems, but can you have your subconscious do it for you)?

      Again, you cannot control your subconscious.

      16. *Note: for this next thing, assume that all piano practice time in a dream is equally as efficient in the real world. Your perception of time in ld's is weird, but if you practice piano for what you perceive to be two weeks, then either (a) you feel like you have been playing for two weeks straight but have only really been playing for an hour (REM/dream time in real world) and thus you only have the skill of an hour of playing or (b) you still feel like you have been playing for two weeks because you actually were, in the dream (i.e., time was extended) and you have the skill of two weeks, whereas in real life you were only dreaming/REMing for an hour. Which actually occurs, (a) or (b)?

      Dreams distort time, but you're never going to have a 2 week long dream, that's hella long. The time you spend in dreams practicing will absolutely help you in real life.

      17. An experiment - just spend awhile counting at the same rate of seconds, and remember the number you get up to. Then when you wake up you can prove that you had a dream for longer-than-actual dream time. You'd have to count for hours lol, but it might be worth it. Or I guess if any of this subconscious stuff is possible, have your subconscious count for you lol. Also, if one does this, could false memories affect how I count? Maybe I spontaneously skip to 4572345 and have the memory that I have been counting that entire time - or can false memories occur in lucid dreams?

      Jesus, now you're getting into crazy shit. Your subconscious cannot be accessed at will, sorry. And yes, you can have false memories. You don't need to count in a dream to know it's distorted with real time, I can tell you that it is.

      18. Be in your younger self's body and have his mind - if your a kid, for example, then you find joy in playing with toys. Or physically implant false memories, as normal dreams do - like I become Harry Potter and actually am him and believe I am

      Yeah your mind can be tricked into a lot of different emotions and have you believing you're a different person. I've had a few dreams in which I legitimately thought I was Michael Jackson, and I was thinking like him too.

      19. Recall a memory from when you were a baby (that you don't remember in real life)

      It could happen, but not by will. Once again, you cannot access your subconscious that way. Though whatever "memory" you happen to experience in your dream could likely be your own imagining. There's really no way to verify whether or not it actually happened.

      20. Tell a DC to always appear in your dreams and have him tell you that your dreaming (in future dreams)

      Yes, I've heard of someone having success with this. He told his DG to give him a pill every time he dreamed that would make him lucid. I don't know if it'll work for you though, everyone's different.

      The main themes of these questions as you may have noticed are relative to these:
      (a) how much can the subconscious store in memories (everything?)?
      (b) can your subconscious do work, as in these examples:
      > if you give it a task like solve a problem and have it tell you?
      > find patterns and make conclusions and using you memories actually make you smarter (like using memories to decode a foreign language so you understand it (using memories of whatever you have seen of that language, and "doing work" to solve it), or teaching yourself calculus ideas w/o any prior experience; extreme examples, but you see what I mean?)?
      > and similar things, as in many of the 20 questions above?
      (c) basically, dreams can link you to your subconscious - what are the limitations/capacities with this?


      I know a some of this stuff might seem absurd, but I believe in a dream anything's possible and that our subconscious can store a near-infinite amount of information, so whatever, these are just some ideas. Thanks.
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      Okay, thanks for that response .

      So basically, we cannot control our subconscious nor can we access it at will. But the information and memories are there, aren't they? Like the chemistry problem from two years ago, or the book that we read, or the passage we skimmed - so we cannot access this at will, but doesn't our subconscious have it stored somewhere?

      If we reread a book, then we will find parts of it familiar, even if there is no way we would ever be able to consciously think up those parts. The fact that it is familiar, doesn't that indicate that it is stored in our subconscious?

      Okay, so assume that our subconscious can store tons of information (more than what we consciously can think of). Are you sure there is no way to access this at will? I mean, I understand if you can't just sift through your subconscious's database of information, but can you ask a DC or DG what that is? Or to "control your subconscious," you tell a DC/DG to solve the math problem?


      Some other clarifications and questions:

      11. Experience blindness as if you'd never been able to see (maybe you "forget" what sight is or something)

      Sure, you can be blind in your dreams. It's the same as seeing total blackness.

      Yes, but I mean in the sense of Question 18.

      16. *Note: for this next thing, assume that all piano practice time in a dream is equally as efficient in the real world. Your perception of time in ld's is weird, but if you practice piano for what you perceive to be two weeks, then either (a) you feel like you have been playing for two weeks straight but have only really been playing for an hour (REM/dream time in real world) and thus you only have the skill of an hour of playing or (b) you still feel like you have been playing for two weeks because you actually were, in the dream (i.e., time was extended) and you have the skill of two weeks, whereas in real life you were only dreaming/REMing for an hour. Which actually occurs, (a) or (b)?

      Dreams distort time, but you're never going to have a 2 week long dream, that's hella long. The time you spend in dreams practicing will absolutely help you in real life.

      Okay, even if it's not two weeks, it could be any amount of time longer that what you actually dream. Despite what your perception of time would be, this would show what actually is - try rereading the two cases.

      17. An experiment - just spend awhile counting at the same rate of seconds, and remember the number you get up to. Then when you wake up you can prove that you had a dream for longer-than-actual dream time. You'd have to count for hours lol, but it might be worth it. Or I guess if any of this subconscious stuff is possible, have your subconscious count for you lol. Also, if one does this, could false memories affect how I count? Maybe I spontaneously skip to 4572345 and have the memory that I have been counting that entire time - or can false memories occur in lucid dreams?

      Jesus, now you're getting into crazy shit. Your subconscious cannot be accessed at will, sorry. And yes, you can have false memories. You don't need to count in a dream to know it's distorted with real time, I can tell you that it is.

      Forget the subconscious part lol. If there was no false memories or alteration, you could physically measure how long you are in the dream compared to how long you REM/dream in real life. It's not just what you "perceive as time" - that can be altered by false memories/etc.

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      Bump, and also:
      1. Practice on an instrument you've never played / don't know how to play

      You won't magically have the knowledge to play something you don't how to in real life, but you can make it sound really good just by messing around with it. I've done this before with an electric guitar. I can't play one in real life, but I can shred like Eddie Van Halen when I'm in the dream.

      Are you actually playing the notes, or are you just doing random stuff and it makes music? What I want to do is have a guitar and practice it, even though I do not know exactly what each string sounds like when you pluck it.

      12. Generate motivation/determination that survives when awake

      Yep.

      How, exactly? I mean, I know you can sorta do what you do when awake - just think about what you want to do, but can you create it automatically? Or like, if you have heard of the movie Limitless, just take a pill that increases my focus and motivation. Along these same lines, can you take pill that increases the quality of your dream/awareness/senses?

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