Thread: I dont remember my dreams in a FP state

I understand exactly what you're saying.

I've seen and experienced my dreams thru my eyes.. thru the eyes of another dream charactor or from somewhere else detached like I'm watching a movie.

My dreams are in both 1st and 3rd person.. I remember both jsut a clearly when I wake up. I dont think it is that unusallul that your dreams are in 3rd person.

It all varies from person to person. Personally mine are like half 3rd person and half 1st person. I hate 3rd person though. Id rather feel the experience than watching it happen.

Meh I just figured something out. I only remember the third person dreams and forget the first person ones.

Actually, the Waking Self and the Dream Self are not exactly the same Self. It would perhaps be more accurately desribed as being parallel selves -- alike, but not identical. How do i know this? Well, several times in dreams I decided to go back in my memory, and that Dream Memory was of an entire and quite separate Life -- not my waking Life but a completely independent and coherent Dream Life.

when we sleep and dream, the consciousness from the Waking Self can in a way 'hitch a ride' with the Dream Self. The Dream Self will act much as it always does, and the imposition of Waking Consciousness often changes nothing in the behavior of the Dream Self. The two Selves -- the Waking Self and the Dream Self are largely compatible... for most of us.

But what if the two selves are incompatible? What if the Waking Self would simply hamper or slow down the dream Self to too great an extent? Then perhaps the Waking Self must stand aside and merely watch. So the third person experience may be largely pathological -- a failure of the two selves to integrate. One Self is rejecting the other.

Of course, the Dream Self is often quite a primitive. As the Subconscious Mind can influence Conscious behavior, so I believe that the Conscious Mind can also influence the Dream Self's behavior, and particularly its moral assumptions and general orientation toward Society. The Waking Self can start out as a mere passenger along for the ride, but can eventually exert an influence upon the DreamSelf's behaviors and value judgments.

My concern with 3rd Person dreaming is that the Dream Self is entirely outside of the moral influence of the Waking Self. No influence is possible.

I've spoken of the intriquing possibility of being entirely disembodied in a dream, and the dreamer who sees himself in the Third Person is disembodied, in a way, and yet he is still held in tow by the Dream Self. The perfect disembodiment would be for the Dream Self to relinquish Body Image.

We can see that the Dream Self is being lead to transcend Body Image. All of the Dreams that display the body as deformed or diseased is a clue that the body image must eventually be dropped.

Now, every once in a while I will have a dream in which I am a disembodied point of consciousness looking down upon a set of dream characters. But typically when the dream action begins in earnest and one of the Dream Characters asserts himself or herself as the dominant Character -- the Hero of the Scene -- well, the First Person habit takes over and apparently I swoop into that Dominant Character and spend the remainder of the Dream as that Character. After all, one Intelligent, Brave and Honest Personality who lives for Righteousness and Integrity is much the same as another, and so the Dream Action is not necessarily changed when one Hero swoops in and participates with another. Where two Souls agree, can the one even feel the Possession, or as I said, the 'participation' , of another.

There is a phenomena which has often been interpreted as Past Life Experience, and that is when a Deceased Soul provides for a Living Soul a kind of Memory Packet -- a gift of the deceased person's memories -- the highlights of their life. These Memories will be encoded in the First Person, and so the Dreamer or Meditator will be fooled into supposing that such memories were from the Self's own Past Life, and not just from somebody else's Past Life... some past life in general. But just because we are in the Driver's Seat doesn't mean that we own the Car. We may be seeing through somebody else's eyes.