Thread: Do animals Lucid Dream?

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Animals can't seperate the real from the non-real...i mean they try 2 attack their reflections...

If animals r so much smarter than what we give them credit for than why dun' we see them making progress - where r the shelters being built? where r the counseling centers? the labs?

Over time only one specias has developed into an actual smart progress making one.. = humans

Just to note, here's all I know about animals, sleep, and dreams:

-Reptiles, Birds, and Mammals all sleep
-Fish and Amphibians simply lower they're awareness but never actually fall unconcious
-Insects never appear to sleep
-Reptiles never dream
-Birds sometimes dream
-Mammals always dream

With that said only Birds and Mammals can dream... pretty much killing all the possibilities of any other animal LDing. And like Serinanth said:

-Whales and Dolphins are half asleep... meaning that half their brain is asleep... this allows them to breath

and just for fun here's one more fact:

-Cows can sleep standing up, but only dream when they lie down.

so yeah... lol... only Birds and Mammals can dream... but I'm pretty sure they can't LD except us. Or who knows... I mean all our life we've noticed that images come into our head when we are unconcious, and they're not real... maybe the other mammals... and birds can too... you'd have to be an animal to figure that out... lol. Maybe through Brain Waves.... lol... do our brain wave patterns change a little when we lucid dream... or err... does anything happen to the brain waves... that might probably help.

Hey thanks for the back up Digital crash

So those that said that animals cannot lucid dream please think a moment about what I said...

Some Cetations enter a state where half their mind is consious and the other half falls into a sleep state.

Their awareness is split between the consious world here and the unconsious dream world , would this not be a form of lucidity?

Girismyleader not all animals react the same to mirriors. Bottle nosed dolphins are aware that it is a mirrior and that they are looking at their reflection.

The test worked like this;
The dolphins had a large mirror in their tank they had grown accustomed to it and already showed behavior that they understood that the mirror was simply a reflection. If you are under water and look up at the surface from a shallow depth, you will find your reflection. They live their lives near the surface and are aware of what they look like.

The human companions would mark the dolphin on occasion with a wax marker a temporary black mark on them. They dolphins would go to the mirror which is a better reflective surface and inspect themselves, obviously trying to get a better look at the marking.

So Dolphins do not attack their reflections, they are aware that it is just that, a reflection as we do.

Not all Cetations show this behavior though, only a few, Bottle nosed dolphins, orcas, beluga, common and spinner dolphins I think. As some one else said, just because they cannot speak does not mean they do not think.

I will quote one of the most influential books in the history of the universe.
(not exact but close nuff)
Humans have always beleived themselves to be the most advanced species on the planet earth because they had created things like, War, NewYork, and the Wheel. While other creatures such as the dolphins only had a good time mucking about in the oceans eating and generaly having a good time.

Interestingly enough, the dolphins though they were the most intelligent creatures on the planet for the exact same reasons.

just because animals can't go and create labs and couseling centers doesn't mean they don't understand the concept of a dream. i don't see how these relate to each other. and yes, dolphins are damn crazy.

Originally posted by Serinanth
Humans have always beleived themselves to be the most advanced species on the planet earth because they had created things like, War, NewYork, and the Wheel. While other creatures such as the dolphins only had a good time mucking about in the oceans eating and generaly having a good time

I know I hate that >.< it's so unfair for the animals... we think of ourselves way to much that to us animals just don't mean anything. One time I went to church and heard this... or something like this:

"And then god created the humans... the superior living things(or can't remember)... then god created the animals for company... and so he said let there be animals"

ok... I admit I can't remember the exact words... but it simply infuriated me that they're saying that Humans and animals are different. We are animals... so why would god create humans and other animal species at different times... it just doesn't seem right... I guess life isn't fair

A previous poster said that animals cannot seperate the real from the unreal. Now I am not arguing whether or not animals lucid dream, but I think humans, of all animals, have a problem of separating the real from the unreal. First of all, if you think you have the world figured out and under your thumb, I would suggest that you are at least in a state of deep delusion, if not much worse. Anyway, what is real? And how much of it are we humans even seeing to begin with. We see far less than 1% of what is actually out there, thats why dogs and other animals bark at what we consider to be empty space. Those spaces are not empty, its just that we don't have the sensory apparatus to see what is there. Our visual spectrum is a narrow slice of a vast spectrum that exists. And even taking that whole argument out (that we see less than 1% of what actually exists), humans edit things from "reality" all the time with biases, beliefs, and fears. Taking these two known flaws in our world view into account, we can accurately state that with what little we know of what is actually going on, we further break down to even smaller thoughts of what "reality" is. I would argue against the whole notion that humans can clearly see and understand reality - I think we are deeply deluded and hampered by that kind of elitist thinking - both on an individual level and a societal level. Another proof is: Why would we still be killing and raping and torturing other people who do not think the same way. If reality was as understood and clearly seen by everyone, we would not need to prove our worldview to anyone else.

If we can't scientifically "see" the thoughts of another person, why would we assume that animals don't have thoughts or dreams or even lucid dreams of their own? A possbile reason we don't give other living things on this earth due respect is that we are passing dumb beliefs down from the biblical story of how we are the masters of the planet or whatever.



peace,
wayward

Well said =)